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[Imurg]

So, how do you know who the best players are then?

The best players in the world are decided by...the OWGR.
Those players who feature on the ranking are deemed the best players
Those who chose to go and p,ay the exhibition circuit that doesn't currently attract points are still on the OWGR but are slipping down the ladder as their form of Golf doesn't match the requirements to be awarded points.
Once it does, they will be awarded points and can try to improve their ranking.
It's all very simple.

 

[Ian_George]

Post 7824

Completely irrelevant to my point!

 

[Ian_George]

The best players in the world are decided by...the OWGR.
Those players who feature on the ranking are deemed the best players...

Add to that, any who qualify via any available specific qualification process.

 

[Mel Smooth]

The best players in the world are decided by...the OWGR.
Those players who feature on the ranking are deemed the best players
Those who chose to go and p,ay the exhibition circuit that doesn't currently attract points are still on the OWGR but are slipping down the ladder as their form of Golf doesn't match the requirements to be awarded points.
Once it does, they will be awarded points and can try to improve their ranking.
It's all very simple.

No they're not mate, not anymore. Those rankings rate the best players in the world, excluding LIV players, who are udoubtedly some of the best players in the world.
There are alternatives to OWGR that are now more accurate in ranking ALL the players. OWGR is now simply a collection of data for selecting who can access The Majors.

If I wanted to place a bet, based on OWGR ratings, as to who will win next years Open championship, it would not be accurate, would it?

 

[Imurg]

No they're not mate, not anymore. Those rankings rate the best players in the world, excluding LIV players, who are udoubtedly some of the best players in the world.
There are alternatives to OWGR that are now more accurate in ranking ALL the players. OWGR is now simply a collection of data for selecting who can access The Majors.

If I wanted to place a bet, based on OWGR ratings, as to who will win next years Open championship, it would not be accurate, would it?

So....are your LIV players no longer on the OWGR?

 

[Mel Smooth]

So....are your LIV players no longer on the OWGR?

Of course they are - but the OWGR isn't accurate anymore.

 

[Imurg]

Of course they are - but the OWGR isn't accurate anymore.

Because your boys have chosen to go and play the exhibition circuit that doesn't attract points...and even thos that come back to play ranking events don't seem to play well enough to get many...
Follow the rules, address the criteria, get points everyone's happy.
They've only got themselves and Greg Norman to blame.....

 

[AussieKB]

All bow to the PGA, at least Martin Slumbers is showing he has a pair.

 

[Backsticks]

The best players in the world are decided by...the OWGR.
Those players who feature on the ranking are deemed the best players
Those who chose to go and p,ay the exhibition circuit that doesn't currently attract points are still on the OWGR but are slipping down the ladder as their form of Golf doesn't match the requirements to be awarded points.
Once it does, they will be awarded points and can try to improve their ranking.
It's all very simple.

Thats how it used to be. But is no longer valid. Cam Smith did not lose his skills because he no longer plays comoetitions the owgr gives him points for.
The OWGR doesnt 'decide'. It is a measuring tool, that correctly setup, reflects to us who the world best players are. What your highlighted sentence now says, is that the owgr are no longer capable of doing that. A ranking system must not be part of the politics.
A 54 tournament doesnt merit the points of an elevated pgat or anything like that. LIV has so far failed to recruit enough top golfers. But it doesnt deserve none either.
The owgr is broken. If it were an independent body, it would fix itself. But at the moment, it is a propaganda machine, and no longer worth consulting.

 

[Ian_George]

All bow to the PGA, at least Martin Slumbers is showing he has a pair.

Don't you mean the PGA Tour! I'm certain that other heads of Major running organisations on he OWGR Board are of a similar mind to Slumbers - but won't be prepared to deviate from the standard assessment process!

 

[Mel Smooth]

Because your boys have chosen to go and play the exhibition circuit that doesn't attract points...and even thos that come back to play ranking events don't seem to play well enough to get many...
Follow the rules, address the criteria, get points everyone's happy.
They've only got themselves and Greg Norman to blame.....

It's quite clear from yesterdays comments that LIV feel like they have met the criteria. I did say a few weeks back, that it will probaby end up going down the route of a legal challenge, and nothing has changed to alter that view.
However, if there are credible systems out there that assess players on all tours, you have to ask the question why the OWGR is so restrictive..

 

[Backsticks]

It's quite clear from yesterdays comments that LIV feel like they have met the criteria. I did say a few weeks back, that it will probaby end up going down the route of a legal challenge, and nothing has changed to alter that view.
However, if there are credible systems out there that assess players on all tours, you have to ask the question why the OWGR is so restrictive..

The criteria are obsolete. Owgr is restrictive because it is not an entirely disinterrested assessment. It suits some of its parties to see liv fail, and so to use, or at least not change too quickly, the current setup of non recognition of liv events as worthy of eligible for points, as a lever to discourage defectors.
C'mon, Dustin Johnson is the 30th best player in the world ? Like. Seriously. Nobody is buying that. So OWGR today is clearly wrong, and discredited by its slowness to react.
The four majors, while party to owgr know this too. But are not under specific pressure in the short term. If LIV had poached half of the top 40 players or something like that, and Cantlay, Schauffele, Hovland, Zalatoris, Burns and the likes looked like not making the majors next year, either the owgr would have been changed rapidly, or the majors would have added a LIV-path qualification criteria.
The line that, well, the players knew the rules before they jumped, they know how to qualify if they want to,etc is utter nonsense. The point of the majors is to have the best of world golf in the field. They are nothing if entry paths and filters for the worlds best dont get them in there.

 

[Ian_George]

It's quite clear from yesterdays comments that LIV feel like they have met the criteria. I did say a few weeks back, that it will probaby end up going down the route of a legal challenge, and nothing has changed to alter that view.

How many times does it need to be stated that they don't meet the criteria in several critical areas and that the assessment can take a year or two - likely to check that compliance isn't simply in order to get a positive decision!
LIV going down the route of a legal challenge would be seriously unwise imo, as, given the timeline for the one wrt PGAT, that would simply delay the start of the review process - into late 2024, so no points until 2025 or 2026!

 

[Mel Smooth]

How many times does it need to be stated that they don't meet the criteria in several critical areas and that the assessment can take a year or two - likely to check that compliance isn't simply in order to get a positive decision!
LIV going down the route of a legal challenge would be seriously unwise imo, as, given the timeline for the one wrt PGAT, that would simply delay the start of the review process - into late 2024, so no points until 2025 or 2026!

I said, "They feel like they have met the criteria", whether they have or not is open to debate. The PGA China tour didn't take 2 years of assement to have points awarded, they were awarded before a ball was struck. Why on earth should it take one to two years anyway? There is absolutely no logical reason, another failing of the OWGR system - and again, it will be portrayed as a reason to delay any decision to adversely affect the LIV series by those board members of the OWGR who have a vested interest in their own tours.

 

[Ian_George]

I said, "They feel like they have met the criteria", whether they have or not is open to debate. The PGA China tour didn't take 2 years of assement to have points awarded, they were awarded before a ball was struck. Why on earth should it take one to two years anyway? There is absolutely no logical reason, another failing of the OWGR system - and again, it will be portrayed as a reason to delay any decision to adversely affect the LIV series by those board members of the OWGR who have a vested interest in their own tours.

Do you think they do! Average field size 75+; majority of events 36 Hole Cut; Qualifying etc I would also expect any OWGR Board member to recuse themselves from decisions where they have a significant vested interest! Oh and PGA China Tour was or is a sub-tour of the PGA Tour, which explains why the assessment was expedited!

 

[Deleted member 21445]

And we're off on finals day.

Anybody but the 4 Aces please.
Im pulling for Cam Smiths Aussies since the Majesticks ????????? went out

 

[Jigger]

Apologies if above but this is an interesting read.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/63441853

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Just set up a podcast for golf journo Alan Shipnuck with DPWT player Scott Hend on twitter.
One of the few DPWT players who posts openly about Liv.

What I didn't know was he has just lost his card and seems ready to talk warts and all.
This could be a very interesting podcast..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1586801558343372802

 

[Mel Smooth]

Just set up a podcast for golf journo Alan Shipnuck with DPWT player Scott Hend on twitter.
One of the few DPWT players who posts openly about Liv.

What I didn't know was he has just lost his card and seems ready to talk warts and all.
This could be a very interesting podcast..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1586801558343372802

Scott Hend has been pretty forthcoming anyway in Twitter, so if he’s prepared to go warts and all, it will be worth hearing.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Apologies if above but this is an interesting read.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/63441853

Funny how they still think they are eligible for points