Beezerk
Money List Winner
This is true, I highlighted it myself weeks back. They only appear to do a report once the tournament has ended, any pieces before a tournament were all very sniffy and clearly anti LIV.
So much for the BBC being neutral.
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This is true, I highlighted it myself weeks back. They only appear to do a report once the tournament has ended, any pieces before a tournament were all very sniffy and clearly anti LIV.
So much for the BBC being neutral.
doublebogey7
Head Pro
See there's no reply here, how surprising. The truth is that there was a high watermark of reserves of around $300 million of which around $75 million was used to cover Covid losses. They announced before the introduction of LIV that these would further be reduced over the coming years. That of course doesn't suit the conspiracy theorist.
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Swango1980
Well-known member
Maybe, just maybe LIV needs to prove itself as one of the main global world tours. You do realise the BBC doesn't just report the results of every golf competition? It didn't report the scores of my weekend Stableford either, but I'm not offended by that.
I know you think it is a significant World Tour, but that is simply your individual opinion. This thread shows there are plenty of people who are not overly interested in it (the golf side of things anyway), and viewing figures have yet to show it is mega popular. Of all my golfing colleagues at my club, I know of nobody that has watched LIV yet. There might have been one or 2 that flicked on youTube to see what it was about, but I know of no-one that is interested enough to keep watching it, know the players playing or the teams. At the end of the day, it is a tour that has a handful of events per year, 48 "random" players playing over 3 rounds and does not even qualify for World Ranking Points. So, what makes it qualify to be a leading tour that deserves the BBC to automatically report the scores? Because Cameron Smith played? Because the prize money is high?
There is no point in whinging over it. As I said, the BBC are clearly not ignoring LIV, it clearly recognises it is a big thing in golf. It reports on interviews with LIV players and even reports on who won the latest LIV competition. I'd imagine if they did show the leaderboard, you'd then start whinging it wasn't the No.1 leaderboard on the list.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
So LIV is relevant enough to be the most discussed topic in golf, it’s forced major upheaval in the existing tours, it’s changed the golf landscape forever, and has arguably one of the best current players in golf right now, but the BBC doesn’t think it’s important to display the leaderboard over a weekend, but will report on the more controversial aspects of the series.
But there’s no agenda from the msm?
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Deleted member 29109
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Neither of the reasons it’s currently one of the hot topics is the quality of golf or the quality of field. The BBC are reporting on the circus that is LiV
The quality of golf may be good. But the last tournament was played on a fairly easy course. But (currently) the depth of field is teaspoon deep. Despite having one of the current top players in the world.
BBC is not reporting either on the positive elements of what Russia is doing in Ukraine either, like cleaning the country of fascists and restoring the seperatist regions to Russia. All they report on is Putin bad, war, war, war. So biased.
Beezerk
Money List Winner
Mel Smooth
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You can’t post political content on here mate. ?
Swango1980
Well-known member
Absolutely. You are really struggling to understand the difference between the politics of golf, and playing the game of golf. If Tiger Woods made an amazing comeback in some sort of joint competition with his son, maybe shot a 59, there may be all sorts of articles on the BBC discussing Tiger Woods. I still wouldn't expect them to provide a leaderboard to that event.
You can scream and shout all you wish about how great LIV is. However, if LIV needs to rely on people doing that, it really is in trouble. If LIV is to truly become a "legitimate" golf tour, then it basically needs to do so with the support of golf fans in general. Whether the BBC reports the results or not is of no significance. Whether you scream about how good it is, or I express my opinion that it is exhibition golf really doesn't matter. If it is really going to end up being as successful as you think it will be, it will just happen organically. And, if it is all a load of hot air, it will slowly disappear from recognition.
For any of us who watch golf, we all do so as it is entertaining. I've no issue if LIV becomes the leading tour, whether the PGA continues to lead or whether some other yet unknown force comes along to take the world by storm. However, the PGA Tour, in my mind, is what entertains me far more than LIV, and it has had years to refine what it does. LIV has many obstacles in its way before I personally can take it seriously, albeit I recognise it's impact on elite golf is to be taken seriously, just not in a positive light. Yes, it has made changes, but most / all of the changes were not changes that anyone was really crying out far (although I welcome the allowance to wear shorts). They were just effectively random changes, and therefore nothing really indicates whether they were for the best or worst. Completely individual opinion. They might only be considered good changes if it becomes evident most of the golfing world wanted them, and I see zero evidence for that.
Mel Smooth
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What was easy about the course?
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Got to be Ryan Fox ?
Mandofred
Well-known member
356 pages of people who can't accept other people's views......the world is doomed.
We accept them, but retain an optimism that we can correct their mistaken views !
Mel Smooth
Hacker
He's aiming his comments at you just as much as us on the other side of the argument tha noz ;-)
r0wly86
Head Pro
seems people are falling in to a few categories
1. Really don't like the way PGAT is run so have thrown all their eggs into the LIV basket, promoting everything about it and slating everything from the PGAT, because anything is better than than status quo
2. People who aren't particularly enamoured by the PGAT, don't think the LIV is great but will watch it because they like watching golf
3. People who are not fussed at all and agnostic on pretty much everything relating to LIV and PGAT
4. People who in principle have nothing against a new tour, but don't think LIV has been set up or run at all well, and in its current form has actually a negative impact on world golf and cannot see that changing unless LIV completely change how they operate
5. People who are very much against the Saudi State using sport as a propaganda tool and so cannot like LIV out of principle
6. People who like to post about how many posts there are
1. Really don't like the way PGAT is run so have thrown all their eggs into the LIV basket, promoting everything about it and slating everything from the PGAT, because anything is better than than status quo
2. People who aren't particularly enamoured by the PGAT, don't think the LIV is great but will watch it because they like watching golf
3. People who are not fussed at all and agnostic on pretty much everything relating to LIV and PGAT
4. People who in principle have nothing against a new tour, but don't think LIV has been set up or run at all well, and in its current form has actually a negative impact on world golf and cannot see that changing unless LIV completely change how they operate
5. People who are very much against the Saudi State using sport as a propaganda tool and so cannot like LIV out of principle
6. People who like to post about how many posts there are
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
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7. People who think a pretty insignificant number of forum members, posting on a pretty insignificant golf forum, mostly residing on a pretty insignificant little island, will make knack all difference to how this all pans out! ?
but it passes the time - currently on a train...
7. People who think a pretty insignificant number of forum members, posting on a pretty insignificant golf forum, mostly residing on a pretty insignificant little island, will make knack all difference to how this all pans out! ?
but it passes the time - currently on a train...
4LEX
Well-known member
LIV players have made their own bed with regard to ranking points, majors and team events. They joined to play less for more dollar so why are they complaining they can't get into more events or have ranking points? All that matters is growing the game and doing something different supposedly....
It's clear now that was all nonsense and they want to have the best of both worlds. Not going to happen. They'll need to play more events and even qualifying events to get into majors whilst travelling to Asia and Australia for the ranking points
I don't blame the guys for taking the money, I would've done the same if I was over 40 and my best days behind me. However if you do that show some class, backbone and stick to your decision without slithering around and crying like a baby over other tours and ranking points. The younger players have made a bad move.
My own take is I hope the PGA Tour, DP World Tour, the majors and broadcasters shun them. It might cause chaos for a year or two but they'll start crawling back and cancelling the LIV contracts. No one is irreplaceable and as long as they're falling out of the world rankings, getting less coverage and not in the majors no one will care about them.
It's clear now that was all nonsense and they want to have the best of both worlds. Not going to happen. They'll need to play more events and even qualifying events to get into majors whilst travelling to Asia and Australia for the ranking points
I don't blame the guys for taking the money, I would've done the same if I was over 40 and my best days behind me. However if you do that show some class, backbone and stick to your decision without slithering around and crying like a baby over other tours and ranking points. The younger players have made a bad move.
My own take is I hope the PGA Tour, DP World Tour, the majors and broadcasters shun them. It might cause chaos for a year or two but they'll start crawling back and cancelling the LIV contracts. No one is irreplaceable and as long as they're falling out of the world rankings, getting less coverage and not in the majors no one will care about them.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
You're obviously well entitled to your opinion.LIV players have made their own bed with regard to ranking points, majors and team events. They joined to play less for more dollar so why are they complaining they can't get into more events or have ranking points? All that matters is growing the game and doing something different supposedly....
It's clear now that was all nonsense and they want to have the best of both worlds. Not going to happen. They'll need to play more events and even qualifying events to get into majors whilst travelling to Asia and Australia for the ranking points
I don't blame the guys for taking the money, I would've done the same if I was over 40 and my best days behind me. However if you do that show some class, backbone and stick to your decision without slithering around and crying like a baby over other tours and ranking points. The younger players have made a bad move.
My own take is I hope the PGA Tour, DP World Tour, the majors and broadcasters shun them. It might cause chaos for a year or two but they'll start crawling back and cancelling the LIV contracts. No one is irreplaceable and as long as they're falling out of the world rankings, getting less coverage and not in the majors no one will care about them.
On this well used point -
"They joined to play less for more dollar"
To clarify, what % of players actually said this?
Your post reads like 100%
Or might it be 30%, or 3%
Or something you just know...
?
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
LIV players suing the PGAT to be allowed to play in their events is a strange one for me. What happens if PGAT players sue LIV to be able to play in their events? If, legally, there is a reason to allow LIV players to play on the PGAT then surely the reverse equally applies and PGAT players should be allowed to play in LIV events. And if PGAT players are allowed to play in the LIV events then surely they will need to be reimbursed to the same level as others playing in the same events.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
Would LIV almost want that; get the pick of the players in one fell swoop by allowing the pick of the top 48 from the PGA Tour to join… ?
