BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
It is the players that is specially fixed to 80.
Was 51 points last year. but down to 38 points this year.
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Was 51 points last year. but down to 38 points this year.
RRidges
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Perhaps for a (LIV) Grand Final, as the Tour Champs series is. But not when every tournament is a no-cut one!
RRidges
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Yeah, Ta. I was puzzled when I found the reference to 80 - now 'lost'. That's why the 'I understand' disclaimer!
Swango1980
Well-known member
Sadly, there is no precedent set for LIV. But , I know deep down you are aware of that.
The players in the TOUR Championship all had to qualify to get there. And, they did so by playing well in multiple other events that also qualify for World Ranking Points. And, they needed to get their PGA Tour Card to qualify for all those events.
Obviously, this is not the same as LIV. Not even close. Forget individual events, the entire Tour is invitation only, with every event limited fields and no cuts.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
As the subject is the PGAT Tour Championship, I find the stats quite interesting:
2021 - Going into the event, 4 players were outside the top 30 ranked, the highest being 55
2022 - Going into the event, 9 players were outside the top 30 ranked, the highest being 61
As mentioned above:
Winning points 2021 51 points, 2022 38 points
Strength of Field 2021 538 , 2022 187 (probably some is the effect of the new SoF rules)
2021 - https://www.owgr.com/events/tour-championship---72-hole-scores-9247
2022 - https://www.owgr.com/events/tour-championship---72-hole-scores-9675
2021 - Going into the event, 4 players were outside the top 30 ranked, the highest being 55
2022 - Going into the event, 9 players were outside the top 30 ranked, the highest being 61
As mentioned above:
Winning points 2021 51 points, 2022 38 points
Strength of Field 2021 538 , 2022 187 (probably some is the effect of the new SoF rules)
2021 - https://www.owgr.com/events/tour-championship---72-hole-scores-9247
2022 - https://www.owgr.com/events/tour-championship---72-hole-scores-9675
RRidges
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See my edit of the post you quoted...an article from some time ago mind, so policies might have changed!
And FWIW, I very much doubt whether any of us are in a position to decide whether a precedent has been set or, more importantly, will have any effect on LIV's OWGR aspirations!
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RRidges
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Unless the actual calculation has changed, the difference between SoF values surprises me. Surely not because of the move of some top players to LIV!
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Yes the calc changed earlier this month. Been a few posts & links on this and on other threads. Some players moving will have had an effect, but we'll likely never know how much of an effect due to the change.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
If it’s invitation only, how have 3 guys off the Asian tour just qualified for the Boston event?
Swango1980
Well-known member
OK, it might have some token qualifications. Not really a significant issue. I don't know the full details of how it all works, except extraordinary sums of money were offered to the most of the high profile players in the world to get them on the tour. Some said yes, others said no. The fact that a small section of much inferior players on the events qualify to do so does not make it proper qualification event. Not when the best players are all invitation, and some of the less good players qualify.
If the elite players were having to qualify. with some invitations to some of the players less likely to compete, then it would be a different converstation.
RRidges
Active member
I knew it had changed, but didn't think it had changed by so much that those numbers would be the result - even with the few LIV guys likely to be in the top 30 qualifiers.
RRidges
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Please refresh my memory, as I only glimpse Asian Tour results sparingly. How did they 'qualify'? And who were/are they? I suspect it's 'qualify for an invitation', just like The Masters, but unlike The Open (now).
FWIW, I've seen a proposal for a 'Promotions' event, but that's for the 2024 series. Surely that's not what you are talking about.
https://www.si.com/golf/news/liv-golfs-future-plans-include-relegation-qualifying-tournament
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If you thought Liv was moving too far away from the traditional historic game.
Don't worry Rory, Tiger and the PGA Tour have the answer ?
One day stadium golf on astroturf
They say Liv is a golf circus ??
https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/...cilroy-pga-tour-new-technology-driven-series/
Don't worry Rory, Tiger and the PGA Tour have the answer ?
One day stadium golf on astroturf
They say Liv is a golf circus ??
https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/...cilroy-pga-tour-new-technology-driven-series/
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Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Yeah but surely they're not gonna play "Blaring Music" ?
JonnyGutteridge
Newbie
LIV for today, play for TMRW?
Mel Smooth
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JonnyGutteridge
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BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
There was the announcement of the PGA Tour 2024 changes a few weeks back. Recently we've had the 'secret meetings,' gossip of more changes, the stadium stuff.
Is this just an aim to occupy the media? (Could understand that)
Are there some 'land grabs ' going on, as opportunities have presented themselves?
Is a bit of 'rabbit in headlights' grabbing at things?
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Is this just an aim to occupy the media? (Could understand that)
Are there some 'land grabs ' going on, as opportunities have presented themselves?
Is a bit of 'rabbit in headlights' grabbing at things?
?
RRidges
Active member
Seems to me that it's more about TW and his legacy - that is very much tied to the PGAT and its ongoing #1 Tour position. So a fair amount of ego involved from him. Monahan wasn't at the meeting, but it seems they support his stance and position.There was the announcement of the PGA Tour 2024 changes a few weeks back. Recently we've had the 'secret meetings,' gossip of more changes, the stadium stuff.
Is this just an aim to occupy the media? (Could understand that)
Are there some 'land grabs ' going on, as opportunities have presented themselves?
Is a bit of 'rabbit in headlights' grabbing at things?
?
It's likely that there'll be a 'more aggressive defence' by PGAT in future, which will benefit the premiere players, in order to re-establish PGAT as the #1 tour. I believe there will come a point when the leakage to LIV stops. or at least dramatically slows down, and the weekly schedule of PGAT events re-establishes it dominance - at least from a viewer count. LIV has been able to schedule it's circus against the weaker PGAT events, though their audiences still don't seem to be massive and actual spectator attendance has been pretty dire. It'll be interesting to see how next year's 'full' setup of 14 events plays out. For me, the un-natural team format, and likely even greater commentary emphasis on that, is a big off-putter, even with Feherty, who I can't remember mentioning it! It'll be an interesting contest, with LIV being more nimble, up till now, and better funded. But PGAT maintaining its position in spite of receiving a few wounds! The court case is a red herring that the LIV guys - however many of them stay the course - will be a loser for LIV guys imo, but the publicity involved will probably be deemed a good investment.
On a related, but side topic. I wonder how family get-togethers of the Uihlein family are working. Patriarch Wally was head of Acushnet which owns the Titleist, Footjoy, Scotty Cameron and Pinnacle brands, the first 3 so much of PGAT's history, while son Peter is a LIV player and former US Amateur winner who hasn't quite lived up to his potential imo, though that's not unusual for winners of that event!
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