high Handicappers in CLub Champs Nett

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

High Handicapper (off 28) shoots 25 over in 1st Round of club champs. No handicap adjustment between rounds. 2nd round shoots 28 over. But as course was playing pretty hard for all others 2nd day (especially lower handicappers due to pin positions) he ends up 3rd overall.

Raised questions about whether we should have had a handicap limit given no adjustment between rounds. though not in the instance a player of 28 could have a blinding 1st round - say 8 under and play to handicap 2nd round. No-one under 18 h/cap or so is going to have much chance beating that.

Any thoughts. On Handicap limits or no handicap adjustment between rounds in a 36holer. Should comps recognise that high handicappers can have blue moon rounds - and in a big field with many high handicappers one could easily happen and wipe the rest of the field away. Or is that just golf and nett comps.

 

[alexbrownmp]

no adjustments between rounds, its a 36 hole competition not 18.

I can see this thread only going one way

 

[Fish]

Higher handicaps are not allowed normally in the [gross] club champs which tend to be for 9 handicap and less playing off bare feet, so what your saying now is that you want to penalise someone because their a Cat4 and had a decent couple of rounds in a nett comp more designed towards them, no doubt its a qualifier so they'll be cut after the comp so whats your problem

Stinks of snobbery and jealousy to me :angry:

 

[Val]

IMO, a net Club Champion isn't the club champion.

Our club play 7 qualifiers, best 2 scores from the 7 count and the top 40 GROSS players play in the 36 hole Club Championship, the top 40 net players play in the 36 hole HC championship both are played the same day and run together. The only name that goes on a board is the GROSS champion.

If you qualify you play regardless of your handicap

 

[Tiger]

IMO, a net Club Champion isn't the club champion.

Our club play 7 qualifiers, best 2 scores from the 7 count and the top 40 GROSS players play in the 36 hole Club Championship, the top 40 net players play in the 36 hole HC championship both are played the same day and run together. The only name that goes on a board is the GROSS champion.

If you qualify you play regardless of your handicap

I really like this approach :thup:

 

[pokerjoke]

Higher handicaps are not allowed normally in the [gross] club champs which tend to be for 9 handicap and less playing off bare feet, so what your saying now is that you want to penalise someone because their a Cat4 and had a decent couple of rounds in a nett comp more designed towards them, no doubt its a qualifier so they'll be cut after the comp so whats your problem

Stinks of snobbery and jealousy to me :angry:

A high handicapper wont go in the gross because its obvious they cant win that's why they have a nett comp so everyone has a chance.

Our club champs was 36 holes both separate qualifiers so some went up a shot after round 1.

 

[Imurg]

It varies from Club to Club....
Some have handicap limits, some don't. I suppose it depends on numbers
Club Champion is always the lowest gross score though.
For everyone else the whole event is simply another Medal, with maybe a slightly bigger prize than normal for the nett winner....
If it had been a standard monthly medal, would there have been any raised eyebrows about a 28'er playing like that?
Probably not.

At the end of the day it comes down to what the club want.
If there are sufficient lower handicaps to warrant having a limit then that's the way to go. But some clubs may only have a dozen or so in that band so having it open to all works.
Both clubs I have been a member at have used the latter method. The lowest gross is the Champion, the best nett is called the Nett Champion. Only the Champion gets his name on the board.

 

[fundy]

If handicap is an issue what about age? Our nett champion this weekend was a 12 year old! Personally think its great but not a unanimous view thats for sure!

 

[UlyssesSky]

High Handicapper (off 28) shoots 25 over in 1st Round of club champs. No handicap adjustment between rounds. 2nd round shoots 28 over. But as course was playing pretty hard for all others 2nd day (especially lower handicappers due to pin positions) he ends up 3rd overall.

Raised questions about whether we should have had a handicap limit given no adjustment between rounds. though not in the instance a player of 28 could have a blinding 1st round - say 8 under and play to handicap 2nd round. No-one under 18 h/cap or so is going to have much chance beating that.

Any thoughts. On Handicap limits or no handicap adjustment between rounds in a 36holer. Should comps recognise that high handicappers can have blue moon rounds - and in a big field with many high handicappers one could easily happen and wipe the rest of the field away. Or is that just golf and nett comps.

I see your point, and even though I'm a high handicapper myself am the first to admit that having only one net category can be difficult since it's easier for high handicappers to shoot really low scores, either out of sheer luck or because they are improving much faster than low handicappers.


However, your example is kind of hilarious... The guy shot a net -3 in the first round and a net par in the second, leaving him at total net -3 for the tournament. I'm not quite sure if I would call a net -3 and a net par 'blue moon' rounds...
If he had actually shot net -8 like in your fictitions example, I'd understand you. But like this...?

 

[DCB]

Surely a club champion has to be the best golfer on the day, so, it has to be a scratch event for the main club championship IMO.

Anyone can enter, but it has to be scratch scores.

We have a 36 hole qualifying weekend before the top 16 scratch players go into a matchplay draw. Finals day is last two standing. Winner is usually the best golfer in the club at that time.

 

[StrangelyBrown]

If he had actually shot net -8 like in your fictitions example, I'd understand you. But like this...?

This is my thinking also. He was 3 under his handicap for 36 holes, so that suggests to me that his handicap is pretty much spot on.

 

[Fish]

A high handicapper wont go in the gross because its obvious they cant win that's why they have a nett comp so everyone has a chance.

Our club champs was 36 holes both separate qualifiers so some went up a shot after round 1.

Which is what I have said, 2 comps, 1 for the gross and single handicappers to find a true club champ and a Bert comp for everyone else, but he now wants a handicap limit on that, hardly inclusive is it!

Also, your comp was 36 holes so even though each round is a qualifier no adjustments should have been made until aftrr the overall comp had closed !

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No need for HC adjustment in between rounds

And the only club champion is the gross champion

 

[delc]

Surely a club champion has to be the best golfer on the day, so, it has to be a scratch event for the main club championship IMO.

Anyone can enter, but it has to be scratch scores.

Surely you can have a Scratch Champion (who will be the Club Champion) and a Handicap Champion in the same competition! The latter will win a prize, but won't be THE Club Champion.

 

[Slab]

... But as course was playing pretty hard for all others 2nd day (especially lower handicappers due to pin positions) ...

This is the bit that I don't follow. Why would harder pin positions mean the course is playing harder for all others and especially low handicappers?

The field played to the same pin positions one assumes and a tough pin placement is gonna impact the high handicap guy as much if not more than the low guy as the bunkers, difficult putts, hazards etc are all further opportunities to expose the shortcomings in a high handicap players game

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Surely you can have a Scratch Champion (who will be the Club Champion) and a Handicap Champion in the same competition! The latter will win a prize, but won't be THE Club Champion.

Totally agree, this is how our's is run, run over 2 days, off in Handicap order highest to lowest, two comps in one, only one Club champion.

 

[delc]

Totally agree, this is how our's is run, run over 2 days, off in Handicap order highest to lowest, two comps in one, only one Club champion.

More normal to send the lowest handicappers out first! :mmm:

 

[ArnoldArmChewer]

Surely a club champion has to be the best golfer on the day, so, it has to be a scratch event for the main club championship IMO.

Anyone can enter, but it has to be scratch scores.

We have a 36 hole qualifying weekend before the top 16 scratch players go into a matchplay draw. Finals day is last two standing. Winner is usually the best golfer in the club at that time.

Exactly this, the club champion should be the player with the best scratch score, there should be plenty of other comps for everyone else to enter, imo a net score becoming 'club champion' is worthless.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

More normal to send the lowest handicappers out first! :mmm:

The 28 and below start earliest so that the best players finish the day, for past 10 yrs plus the Club Champ has been in one of the last 2 flights, normally get a good crowd watching the finish.

 

[Foxholer]

Totally agree, this is how our's is run, run over 2 days, off in Handicap order highest to lowest, two comps in one, only one Club champion.

Most recent club was pretty similar. Drawn first day 'pairings' but 2nd round played in two tranches. Late starters those with best Gross scores. Both tranches going out in 'poorest to best' order depending on which tranche - Late ones in Gross; Early ones Stableford.

A previous (Resort) Club deemed best Nett over 4 rounds the Club Champion, though there was a minor award for best Gross! Ridiculous!