Grenfell “Bonfire”

drdel said:
Sick humour is often how the military, fire services, police and emergency medical staff actually cope with the horrible stuff they experience. I'm not defending the daft idiots who made public a highly disgusting 'Grenfell' event, but to pretend this sort of behavour is unique and criminal is to deny the real world of humans nature,.
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Amongst themselves, not in public, as a defence mechanism for the stuff they deal with on our behalf.

These idiots did not suffer it themselves, made it extremely public and have absolutely no defence for it. Whilst you state you're not defending them, you appear to be offering them a lifeline by stating others do it when the two sets of circumstances are not remotely comparable.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Are you sure about that?
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Sorry yes you're right, I was thinking of another offence.
However if you look at the definition of the crime they have been arrested for

(1)A person is guilty of an offence if he—

(a)uses threatening [F1or abusive] words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or

(b)displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening [F1or abusive],

within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby.

(2)An offence under this section may be committed in a public or a private place, except that no offence is committed where the words or behaviour are used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation is displayed, by a person inside a dwelling and the other person is also inside that or another dwelling.

(3)It is a defence for the accused to prove—

(a)that he had no reason to believe that there was any person within hearing or sight who was likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress, or

(b)that he was inside a dwelling and had no reason to believe that the words or behaviour used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation displayed, would be heard or seen by a person outside that or any other dwelling, or

(c)that his conduct was reasonable.

(4)F2. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

(5)F2. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

(6)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

its going to be extremely difficult if not impossible to prove an offence has happened. They are clearly subhuman scum and I hope charges can be brought but if a PO offence is all they can come up with I can't see the CPS even sending it to court.
 
Trial by media where justice cannot do the job. I like to some the women in the video who were been racist also brought in, they were calling muslim women ninjas for wearing burkas.
 
Meanwhile the murder rate in London continues to rise and the police success rate for robberies etc is a measly 2%. However they have detectives who can spend time on this stuff , which IMO, has ben exposed and those responsible will be punished by their peers/relatives. Been punished by their 'friends will have more impact than a court fine.

The Police time is one thing then there's all the resources necessary for a Court action.

We need to get a grip on priorities
 
drdel said:
Meanwhile the murder rate in London continues to rise and the police success rate for robberies etc is a measly 2%. However they have detectives who can spend time on this stuff , which IMO, has ben exposed and those responsible will be punished by their peers/relatives. Been punished by their 'friends will have more impact than a court fine.

The Police time is one thing then there's all the resources necessary for a Court action.

We need to get a grip on priorities
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We might consider properly funding the Police then.
 
garyinderry said:
Where did it take place?

Can that be a crime if it was on private property however distasteful or offensive?
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Not sure on your question but the moment they post it on the internet would seem to change things. Had they kept this to themselves then no one would have been the wiser. Posting it online shows it to the world.

I'm with others in seeing this as horrible but not a crime, based on opinion, not necessarily fact. Naming and shaming will do them more harm. Likely to loose jobs or future work. Google their names going forward and they will always be linked to this. What employer what take them on with that in their background?
 
drdel said:
Meanwhile the murder rate in London continues to rise and the police success rate for robberies etc is a measly 2%. However they have detectives who can spend time on this stuff , which IMO, has ben exposed and those responsible will be punished by their peers/relatives. Been punished by their 'friends will have more impact than a court fine.

The Police time is one thing then there's all the resources necessary for a Court action.

We need to get a grip on priorities
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I very much doubt the Met Police is prioritising what happened here over people getting murdered - it’s a nonsense to even suggest as such

But will be interesting to see what your list of crimes there are that should just be ignored and let their “friends punish them”

It seems throughout the thread that people are annoyed that these people are being looked into ? Why ? Should they be allowed to get away with a possible crime and actions that are harmful and distressing to others?

Maybe the perspective would change if it was aimed at them
 
What I don't understand is just being at the party should not be a crime.

Making a comment on it should not be a crime.

Some of these people will have their life's ruined now over this as there is a media witch hunt on them, and all they did was attend a party which someone made a dark humour model to burn.
 
Dasit said:
What I don't understand is just being at the party should not be a crime.

Making a comment on it should not be a crime.

Some of these people will have their life's ruined now over this as there is a media witch hunt on them, and all they did was attend a party which someone made a dark humour model to burn.
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The problem is the videoing and broadcasting, those in attendance only have themselves to blame, the footage wasn’t stolen or obtained illegally, they/he/she messed up.
Those who hosted the party are wholly responsible for what took place and subsequently happens.
 
Disgusting act but why are the police involved.

It appears that the police feel this is a crime but when pictures of a group of people burning poppies which is a symbol of rememberance to millions of dead pops up nothing happens.

Personally I feel the boys in blue should have issued a quite word and ended it which I suspect will be what happens in the end. They have better things to do.
 
I see the Police are searching their homes. For what? KKK outfits? Waste of Police time. Any evidence required is in the video, and if that is not enough, that should be that. Personally, I think any lawyer would get this thown out pdq.

It is in poor taste, but then plenty of stuff that happens is.
 
pauldj42 said:
The problem is the videoing and broadcasting, those in attendance only have themselves to blame, the footage wasn’t stolen or obtained illegally, they/he/she messed up.
Those who hosted the party are wholly responsible for what took place and subsequently happens.
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Can you be punished for something which isnt a crime which is then broadcast by a third party?

If anyone it should be the person posting the video.
 
bluewolf said:
We might consider properly funding the Police then.
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I think the government consider it and then quickly talk themselves out of it.

If we had a properly funded police then maybe true day to day crimes would get properly investigated rather than dismissed by the police due to lack of resources, but instead its (as dasit says) a witch hunt with far too much resource spent on it in my opinion.

On a side note....I wonder how longer until the police is privatised.
 
garyinderry said:
Can you be punished for something which isnt a crime which is then broadcast by a third party?

If anyone it should be the person posting the video.
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Don’t know mate, the link was the only factual bit I’ve read.
 
pauldj42 said:
, those in attendance only have themselves to blame.
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Wow just wow to say that.o_O Now I am fairly intolerant to wrong things and will walk out when things are not 'nice'. Have even done that whilst being at 'friends' houses, walked out of golf club speeches and other gentleman evening but I was there...... You are appearing to be judge and jury.

Its a bit like murder law, you can be prosecuted for murder even tho you have not committed the actual murder but just there. Just crazy.
 
DRW said:
Wow just wow to say that.o_O Now I am fairly intolerant to wrong things and will walk out when things are not 'nice'. Have even done that whilst being at 'friends' houses, walked out of golf club speeches and other gentleman evening but I was there...... You are appearing to be judge and jury.

Its a bit like murder law, you can be prosecuted for murder even tho you have not committed the actual murder but just there. Just crazy.
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Somebody took time and effort to make the mock up, took the piss whilst it burned (including out of the firemen) then allowed themselves to be filmed.
Surely if the home owner had said, don’t film this or delete the video or...or etc, Joe public would be non the wiser and it would of remained a private joke.
Who do you suggest is responsible for the video coming out?
 
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