Equality & Diversity in the NHS

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It is if you work there and it's part of your T&Cs
I work for a large organisation that expects its employees to respect equality and diversity, most of which is enshrined in law anyway. In 25 years, I've never considered it a problem or really heard anyone complaining about it in a way that was worth listening to.
You might find that your golf club and golfing union have similar expectations of their members.
 

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There is an old saying about the NHS.

People want an NHS that is Good, Cheap and Fast. Choose any 2 of the 3. Can't have them all.
I like that one. Not heard it before.
The Prison Service had a similar one, although far more cynical, it often rang true.
Cheap is good, but cheaper is better.
 

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I work for a large organisation that expects its employees to respect equality and diversity, most of which is enshrined in law anyway. In 25 years, I've never considered it a problem or really heard anyone complaining about it in a way that was worth listening to.
You might find that your golf club and golfing union have similar expectations of their members.

Personally I find it amazing that we need any guides or policies for respecting other people regardless of colour, creed, race, religion, sex, gender, age, height, weight, political views.

Transcending all of the above is whether someone is a See You Next Tuesday or not. , that's my guide :D
 

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We updated our works handbook and contracts a few years ago. I went to a talk given by a specialist company first of all and then got someone in to put it together. Thankfully it is all online now, we don't have a physical copy, as it would be a chronic waste of paper, lots and lots of paper. The gist is that you need to cover every key problem that is likely to arise and have clever wording to cover the ones you may not have thought of o_O. If a company doesn't have this stuff written down then they are open to problems with either an employee who does something wrong or an employee who is on the end of someone doing something wrong. 99% of the time you don't need it but once in a blue moon it is there to protect everyone who should be protected. It seems a huge overkill but that is the world we live in now. Procedure, rules, guidelines are all crucial now.
 

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This maybe down to your area or the practise you are registered with, our local Surgery is not like this, Yes we have the call queueing system, but we also have online bookings. Once you are through to the receptionist you can request a same day call back from the GP if no appointments are available that day. Obviously non-emergencey.

My repeat prescriptions are all on-line, only see the Dr for a review.

Some Clinics have been delayed due to current crisis, but all Nurse appointments are just about back to normal.

I totally agree it needs looking at as it shouldn’t be a postcode lottery.

Yes I know this is true, when we visit the West Cumbrian MIL I have phoned the Dr and got an appointment on the same day. Postcode lottery healthcare is just down to population density.
 

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We updated our works handbook and contracts a few years ago. I went to a talk given by a specialist company first of all and then got someone in to put it together. Thankfully it is all online now, we don't have a physical copy, as it would be a chronic waste of paper, lots and lots of paper. The gist is that you need to cover every key problem that is likely to arise and have clever wording to cover the ones you may not have thought of o_O. If a company doesn't have this stuff written down then they are open to problems with either an employee who does something wrong or an employee who is on the end of someone doing something wrong. 99% of the time you don't need it but once in a blue moon it is there to protect everyone who should be protected. It seems a huge overkill but that is the world we live in now. Procedure, rules, guidelines are all crucial now.

Unfortunately we now have legislation where none should be needed! I fear there might be a negative reaction that will actually cause more division against perceived positive discrimination. Especially when we make judgements of many years ago against the new norms of today.
 

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Unfortunately we now have legislation where none should be needed! I fear there might be a negative reaction that will actually cause more division against perceived positive discrimination. Especially when we make judgements of many years ago against the new norms of today.
Most of this stuff happens in the background though and as long as you are a decent human it will never impact you.

I think your last point is a fair one. I look back at phrases that were popular when I was a kid at school and whilst none were racist there were plenty of names and phrases used that make me shudder now, some homophobic, although we didn't realise what they meant at the time, and definitely sexist. What was normal then is now, rightly unacceptable. We learn, we move on. If someone quoted me back from then I'd be in trouble even though I have not uttered similar words in nigh on 40 years. It is certainly a changing period in time. When that happens the pendulum can swing too far the other way but hopefully it will right itself somewhere back to the middle soon.
 

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Your post is patronising, entirely wrong in relation to your view of what I do, supercilious and smug.

Another one line response that details what? Maybe if you knew what I used to do…but you’ve only confirmed my original thoughts and why I didn’t reply sooner. You’re a nobody in a nothing thread… “two big deals” :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

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I work for a large organisation that expects its employees to respect equality and diversity, most of which is enshrined in law anyway. In 25 years, I've never considered it a problem or really heard anyone complaining about it in a way that was worth listening to.
You might find that your golf club and golfing union have similar expectations of their members.
I agree an organisation needs to make it clear to its employees that any form of discrimination or harrasment in the workplace is unacceptable and if experienced will be subject to the organisations disciplinary procedures. This is the way we explained it in my company Employee's Handbook and it was as explicit as it needed to be. The list in the OPs comments regarding how the NHS explaines it is a sad reflection of the times we live in where people are treated as if they are incapable of understanding right from wrong.
 

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Another one line response that details what? Maybe if you knew what I used to do…but you’ve only confirmed my original thoughts and why I didn’t reply sooner. You’re a nobody in a nothing thread… “two big deals” :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

I’m sure you were incredibly important but I can hardly contain my indifference.
 

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I agree an organisation needs to make it clear to its employees that any form of discrimination or harrasment in the workplace is unacceptable and if experienced will be subject to the organisations disciplinary procedures. This is the way we explained it in my company Employee's Handbook and it was as explicit as it needed to be. The list in the OPs comments regarding how the NHS explaines it is a sad reflection of the times we live in where people are treated as if they are incapable of understanding right from wrong.
The list that the OP published appears to just be a glossary, explaining a number of expressions that people might not be familiar with and their origins. We can't judge the content of the entire document as the the OP didn't copy and paste it - just a snapshot of the bit he'd searched for and found that made him most angry.
 

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There is a thing that happens now in most companies and large organisations where the company provides mandatory training on a range of subjects from equality and diversity (natch) to bribery and corruption (not doing it, or at least not getting caught doing it) to fire drills.

Most of this is devoid of actual education and serves only to allow the company to disavow any employee who breaches one of the matters covered ("We trained him/her, your honour"). It is now a tiresome rite of passage to be navigated as painlessly as possible.

It is worse when a piece of complex material which you understand well is delivered by someone who doesn't, and you have to listen. A separate course in biting one's tongue should have been provided earlier. Despite my reputation here as being an argumentative sod, I tend to restrain myself on such occasions, mostly because it is pointless to debate the issues, but on one or two occasions, I had to speak up when someone was getting something quite important very very wrong and possibly causing later harm by people who followed their recommendations.
 

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In Bedford, an area of concern because of the Delta variant, the hospital still has 1,300 staff who have not taken up the vaccination offer.

It should be mandated for medics and similar occupations IMO.

I believe that the main reservoir of NHS refuseniks is not among medial and nursing staff, but other jobs.

Some vaccinations are mandated for medical staff, such as Hepatitis B and TB, so the precedent is already in place.
 

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What an excellent document posted by the OP. A really useful glossary that everyone should read in order to further their understanding of the systemic discrimination that many people have suffered.

Those who feel outraged reading the glossary should probably skip forward to the definition of white fragility.

I really can’t understand what this has to do with procurement though.
 

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What an excellent document posted by the OP. A really useful glossary that everyone should read in order to further their understanding of the systemic discrimination that many people have suffered.

Those who feel outraged reading the glossary should probably skip forward to the definition of white fragility.

I really can’t understand what this has to do with procurement though.
You may need a diatribe to inform you how to be respectful to others but most of us understand it already. I would suggest that anyone who needs a glossary to lay it out for them are a lost cause.

Reading your last but one paragraph you probably need to think it through yourself.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizing-condescension-white-fragility/614146/
 
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