Dress Code - Who is responsible?

[Deleted Member 1156]

So if you see an attitude or behaviour that you feel is out moded or out of date it is wrong to comment against it. No female members, membership based on class or race all ok just dont go to the club if you dont like it. Personally I find it objectionable that in the 21st century people are judged by the clothes they wear but hey, its their club so maybe i should just bury my head in the sand.

Yep exactly and if they are not breaking the law they can do what ever they like but as stated, if you don't like it then don't give them your custom.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Its the same principle based on the argument that if you feel something is not right you should just move on. Plenty of people i know at clubs feel discriminated against due to antiquated dress codes. If you want to run 2 arguments side by side it is disriminatory in many instances as the equivalent female code when the dress code is jacket and tie is smart dress or suit but you do not see that applied.

Why would someone be discriminated against in Regards a dress code - there is nothing stopping them going out to buy whatever is required. Sorry don't ever believe someone is being discriminated against based on a dress code. We all have choices and there is nothing stopping anyone going out to get a jacket if they want to play at a course that requires a jacket.

 

[richy]

Because it's the right answer- it makes not one single bit of difference what their reasons are - they don't have to justify what their rules are to anyone but their own members and they are the ones who make the rules. Don't like it well just go somewhere else as a society.

There is no 'right answer'. I was asking why you have to wear a jacket etc. I understand that the club set the rules and if you don't like it blah blah blah. Do you just always do as you're told like a good little boy and never question anything ?

So WHY do you have to wear a jacket? If you spew the same answer then I'll know you haven't got a scooby

 

[GB72]

Simply because they dont own one or do not feel comfortable in one so feel out of place or uncomfortable in an environment that is meant to be relaxed.

It really is an uncomfortable, impractical and outmoded manner of dress in most environments and many aspects of life have reached this conclusion

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There is no 'right answer'. I was asking why you have to wear a jacket etc. I understand that the club set the rules and if you don't like it blah blah blah. Do you just always do as you're told like a good little boy and never question anything ?

Why when someone just decides to follow the rules they are looked at in a negative light ? Why when some has no problems conforming to rules they are a "good little boy".

So WHY do you have to wear a jacket? If you spew the same answer then I'll know you haven't got a scooby

It's quite simple why but you don't like the answer - you can stamp your feet and throw your tantrums and demand answers but it will always be a very simple answer - because the golf club decided when they did their dress code that they would like people to dress to a smart level and would like to keep the tradition of gentlemen having to wear a jacket whilst eating in their club. And as been said - if you don't like it - tough.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Simply because they dont own one or do not feel comfortable in one so feel out of place or uncomfortable in an environment that is meant to be relaxed.

It really is an uncomfortable, impractical and outmoded manner of dress in most environments and many aspects of life have reached this conclusion

But it's not discrimination and for me it cheapens the word by trying to suggest it is. It's a choice - they chose not to buy one and I for one don't find wearing a suit uncomfortable in the slightest.

But none of it is discrimination but they all have a choice

 

[Lord Tyrion]

It is sexist though. Do women have to wear jackets in the same situation? I doubt it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It is sexist though. Do women have to wear jackets in the same situation? I doubt it.

I have seen some clubs that do require ladies to wear a suit including the jacket.

 

[moogie]

My view
I understand it's their club
It's their rules
We all know that rules are rules

But seriously
We've all worn suits
We've all worn jackets
If you go out dressed with the mrs, for a meal, with your jacket on
I bet 99% remove said jacket whilst sat at the table and whilst eating
Probably on the back of your chair
Wearing a jacket and eating just simply don't go

So....why enforce something so farcical in a golf club environment??🤔

 

[GB72]

So you really think that the vestiges of golf club dress codes do not hark back to class disrimination

 

[TheJezster]

Simply because they dont own one or do not feel comfortable in one so feel out of place or uncomfortable in an environment that is meant to be relaxed.

It really is an uncomfortable, impractical and outmoded manner of dress in most environments and many aspects of life have reached this conclusion

Now THIS is the actual correct answer, not the indoctrinated one LP always throws out. It's 2017, you are allowed to think for yourself y'know....

You could also have a bit of fun too, either take your jacket off and tie, have it hanging round your neck or just off or even better, wear every item of clothing in a completely different non matching colour. Brown shoes, pink socks beige trousers, bright yellow or red shirt and green jacket/blazer. Oh and a non matching tie of course. All within the dress code but equally as ridiculous.

In summary, question things, don't be a sheep. Try it Phil, you might feel liberated 😉

 

[richy]

Why when someone just decides to follow the rules they are looked at in a negative light ? Why when some has no problems conforming to rules they are a "good little boy".


It's quite simple why but you don't like the answer - you can stamp your feet and throw your tantrums and demand answers but it will always be a very simple answer - because the golf club decided when they did their dress code that they would like people to dress to a smart level and would like to keep the tradition of gentlemen having to wear a jacket whilst eating in their club. And as been said - if you don't like it - tough.

:rofl:
I understand now you know how to follow a rule but not sure why. Just as I thought. Cheers

 

[richy]

Now THIS is the actual correct answer, not the indoctrinated one LP always throws out. It's 2017, you are allowed to think for yourself y'know....

You could also have a bit of fun too, either take your jacket off and tie, have it hanging round your neck or just off or even better, wear every item of clothing in a completely different non matching colour. Brown shoes, pink socks beige trousers, bright yellow or red shirt and green jacket/blazer. Oh and a non matching tie of course. All within the dress code but equally as ridiculous.

In summary, question things, don't be a sheep. Try it Phil, you might feel liberated 😉

:thup:

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I don't get this thing about feeling uncomfortable in a suit. It is still the standard dress code in many work areas. Most field sales people wear a suit, if I had a medical condition and was referred to a specialist then chances are he would be in a suit too.

Do people not pursue a particular occupation because they would have to wear a suit?

 

[moogie]

I don't get this thing about feeling uncomfortable in a suit. It is still the standard dress code in many work areas. Most field sales people wear a suit, if I had a medical condition and was referred to a specialist then chances are he would be in a suit too.

Who people not pursue a particular occupation because they would have to wear a suit?

I'm not uncomfortable in a suit

Just not comfortable eating a meal whilst wearing a jacket

I Don't get it

 

[TheJezster]

I don't get this thing about feeling uncomfortable in a suit. It is still the standard dress code in many work areas. Most field sales people wear a suit, if I had a medical condition and was referred to a specialist then chances are he would be in a suit too.

Who people not pursue a particular occupation because they would have to wear a suit?

This isn't an argument. There is a difference to wearing a suit for work, for which you are paid, to wearing one as part of your pass time. Hell its not even as part of it, its to have a bite to eat afterwards!!!

As I said, not comparable or relevant.

I don't get this thing about certain people not getting that many people don't want to wear a suit after having a round of golf.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

:rofl:
I understand now you know how to follow a rule but not sure why. Just as I thought. Cheers

I know why I follow rules - because I was brought up to respect rules and follow them and also continued to respect those rules during my work life.

I'm guessing you're more the Kevin and Perry type with the constant whining "why" when told to do something or asked to follow a rule

 

[FairwayDodger]

It is sexist though. Do women have to wear jackets in the same situation? I doubt it.

The issue is more that they don't tend to specify the policy for women. I don't really consider that a jacket is necessarily the equivalent for women.

I actually changed into a frock for lunch when we played muirfield... and put a jacket on too which was a slightly odd look. In fact they had a couple of spare jackets in the ladies locker room, just in case!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This isn't an argument. There is a difference to wearing a suit for work, for which you are paid, to wearing one as part of your pass time. Hell its not even as part of it, its to have a bite to eat afterwards!!!

As I said, not comparable or relevant.

I don't get this thing about certain people not getting that many people don't want to wear a suit after having a round of golf.

If you don't want to wear a suit after playing golf whilst eating then you don't have - just don't go to a course that requires you to wear a suit. Then there is no problem is there

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Funnily enough I rarely see anyone in a suit now. I work in a mfr environment, electronics industry, and can't remember in the last 5 years a customer wearing a jacket and tie when I have visited one. It has reached the point now where I haven't worn one to visit a customer for 3 years+. My suit is for funerals only now. Smart trousers, smart work shirt, that's all.

I think of jackets and ties for old fashioned professions now, solicitors, accountants, bankers etc. Ties in particular I think are disappearing.