Virtuocity - stack and tilt swing.................

[JustOne]

Each to their own but I will never be convinced by S&T but notice there are a few guys on here who say they use it, can they really be sure they are using it?

As opposed to what... being sure that they have no idea what they're using?

You don't have to be 100% with ANY swing so I'm not sure I get your point there.

It's my opinion that if someone TRIES to incorporate the elements of S&T into their swing that they WILL get better.... so in terms of the last part of your question it would depend on how often they play/practice and to a degree how they are physically. I took up the game and got to 4 h/cap inside 18months, I wouldn't expect everyone to be able to do that... some may never get to single figures regardless of what swing they use... you have to be able to manage your game.... and putt

If someone CAPABLE wanted to put in the practice I'd suggest they could drop from 16 to 6 within a year.




How long have you been playing and how much did your h/cap come down this year with the swing you're using/practicing?

 

[Bomber69]

As opposed to what... being sure that they have no idea what they're using?

You don't have to be 100% with ANY swing so I'm not sure I get your point there.

It's my opinion that if someone TRIES to incorporate the elements of S&T into their swing that they WILL get better.... so in terms of the last part of your question it would depend on how often they play/practice and to a degree how they are physically. I took up the game and got to 4 h/cap inside 18months, I wouldn't expect everyone to be able to do that... some may never get to single figures regardless of what swing they use... you have to be able to manage your game.... and putt

If someone CAPABLE wanted to put in the practice I'd suggest they could drop from 16 to 6 within a year.




How long have you been playing and how much did your h/cap come down this year with the swing you're using/practicing?

I have been floating arround 5 for a few years now, I don't do practise. Just turn up on the tee and swing at the ball then go after it again.

 

[JustOne]

I have been floating arround 5 for a few years now, I don't do practise. Just turn up on the tee and swing at the ball then go after it again.

Me too.... back hurts too much and need an op on my shoulder.

So you didn't come down at all this year? but pretty quick off the blocks in the critique stakes?

Ah, I'm just pullin' yer chain on the basis that you're ready to knock something that you really know nothing about whilst not really doing that well yourself....

I don't mean anything by it and wish you the best for 2013.... whatever swing you choose to use or moan about.

 

[Bomber69]

Me too.... back hurts too much and need an op on my shoulder.

So you didn't come down at all this year? but pretty quick off the blocks in the critique stakes?

Ah, I'm just pullin' yer chain on the basis that you're ready to knock something that you really know nothing about whilst not really doing that well yourself....

I don't mean anything by it and wish you the best for 2013.... whatever swing you choose to use or moan about.

Oh I did come down a good few notches but then got a few .1's back and then a couple back to finish a few points lower than I started


Is the back problems anything to do with S&T by any chance....

 

[JustOne]

Oh I did come down a good few notches but then got a few .1's back and then a couple back to finish a few points lower than I started


Is the back problems anything to do with S&T by any chance....

No.... it was from a more conventional slice swing

I joined a new club this year with the intention of trying to beat Fundy (from the forum) to scratch h/cap and then knackered my back 2 weeks after joining trying to hit a 50yrd slice with the old 'McIlroy 720rpm hip move'.. I literally heard something crack ... unfortunately Fundy cropped his knee the same week which scuppered his plans too

I can still play quite well with S&T even with my knackered back but lack of practice and play (twice in 4 months) means I lose my short game touch, the odd drive goes in the rough and a couple of putts slide by ...hence the 6 h/cap.

Need an op on my shoulder too as I ripped something inside when I slid down into a ditch trying to recover my opponents ball for him. It's agony some days... I'm falling to bits.. it's not S&T's fault.

World reknowned back (and sports) specialists have said in no short measure that the S&T swing is the easiest swing on the back.

At 43 I'm beginning to think it's all over..... maybe just one more year.......

How old are you Bomber?

 

[Foxholer]

Just interested as to what you played off I mean I would always take advice from a Pro or even someone who is better than me but would question advice given from someone who had a higher handicap, no offence intended.

A very snobbish and limiting attitude imo.

The fact that (top) Pros have coaches who haven't been top players themselves demonstrates that ability to perform and ability to observe/teach are different skill sets. And I know some Pros who I would never take advice from!

Always worth questioning advice though. If the advisor can't explain adequately why they are wanting you to change, then it's probably bad advice. And if you are unconvinced, then the change almost certainly won't happen!

 

[JustOne]

A very snobbish and limiting attitude imo.

The fact that (top) Pros have coaches who haven't been top players themselves demonstrates that ability to perform and ability to observe/teach are different skill sets. And I know some Pros who I would never take advice from!

Always worth questioning advice though. If the advisor can't explain adequately why they are wanting you to change, then it's probably bad advice. And if you are unconvinced, then the change almost certainly won't happen!

Good post that Foxy.

I like the part about being unconvinced.. in the big scheme of things it's fairly well known that the process is "you listen to the advice, duff 2 shots, then go looking for more advice from someone else"

 

[SamQuirkePGA]

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

 

[Bomber69]

A very snobbish and limiting attitude imo.

The fact that (top) Pros have coaches who haven't been top players themselves demonstrates that ability to perform and ability to observe/teach are different skill sets. And I know some Pros who I would never take advice from!

Always worth questioning advice though. If the advisor can't explain adequately why they are wanting you to change, then it's probably bad advice. And if you are unconvinced, then the change almost certainly won't happen!

Nothing snobbish about it old boy I am free to decide who to listen to and who not to listen too and my take on golf is I may take advice from someone who is a better player or by a Pro but never from someone who plays the game and has a higher handicap than me , why should I listen to them if they cant put into practise something they are trying to teach me. Plus like I said I don't put in hours of practise and never have and aint about to do it now so I will continue to roll with the dice.

:cheers:

 

[virtuocity]

All interesting points guys, BUT

Would it be fair to ask to be selfish for just one thread and ask that the S&T debate is left for the other 100 S&T debate threads?

I'd like this thread to be for those who are adopting this swing (or elements of it) and getting advice about it and tracking progress etc.

Fair / unfair?

 

[JustOne]

Nothing snobbish about it old boy I am free to decide who to listen to and who not to listen too and my take on golf is I may take advice from someone who is a better player or by a Pro but never from someone who plays the game and has a higher handicap than me , why should I listen to them if they cant put into practise something they are trying to teach. Plus like I said I don't put in hours of practise and never have and aint about to do it know so I will continue to roll with the dice.

:cheers:

That sounds fair enough to me, although I don't think Foxy was calling you a snob... more of a turn of phrase for the dissmissive attitude... which is fairly common in this game seeing as there's been so much false information passed down over the years.. it really has become a case of just who to believe.

Purely out of interest, if you went round with a pro for 18 holes and beat his score would you not take a lesson off him (assuming you were someone inclined to have lessons).

 

[Bomber69]

That sounds fair enough to me, although I don't think Foxy was calling you a snob... more of a turn of phrase for the dissmissive attitude... which is fairly common in this game seeing as there's been so much false information passed down over the years.. it really has become a case of just who to believe.

Purely out of interest, if you went round with a pro for 18 holes and beat his score would you not take a lesson off him (assuming you were someone inclined to have lessons).

I play in a lot of Pro Am's and have beat quite a few of the Pro's scores over the years, most of them tell me the same thing, solid of the tee great long irons but the short game needs work. I will always listen to what they have to say but it would be rude not too

 

[Slime]

All interesting points guys, BUT

Would it be fair to ask to be selfish for just one thread and ask that the S&T debate is left for the other 100 S&T debate threads?

I'd like this thread to be for those who are adopting this swing (or elements of it) and getting advice about it and tracking progress etc.

Fair / unfair?

Fair.
I do find it mildly amusing that anti S&T golfers come on to S&T threads and ridicule/criticise the technique, probably having never understood it or tried it. Why do they even read these threads and then claim that S&T doesn't work and they would never use it?
They should start their own 'I hate S&T because it's crap' thread and leave these threads alone................unless they have something constructive to add, which admittedly, many do.

Slime.

Oh. And I'll listen to advice from anyone who I think can help me, without having to confirm their handeicap first.

 

[G1BB0]

here, here Slime.

Anyway I am off up the range to practice my partial S&T swing (therfor I am only open to half the criticism & half the praise haha)

 

[Slime]

Half the system........half the criticism, sounds fair enough to me.

Slime.

P.S. Is it the S or the T?

 

[G1BB0]

erm, you have got me there lol

I like to call it the STILT

 

[Foxholer]

I keep messing up the T and ending up in S and!

 

[Slime]

I keep messing up the T and ending up in S and!

M ?

 

[Foxholer]

M ?

About to have some in a S and wich!

Apologies Virt. for the thread-jack; others for the (attempted) humour.

 

[virtuocity]

Thanks y'all.

I find the stack and tilt jokes funny as well to be honest, but felt that EVERY S&T thread was full of them and thought it might be a good idea to keep just one thread jibe-free. Humour welcome, but the whole "Is stack and tilt the devil?" debate should be taken elsewhere.