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thecraw
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I've not spoken to many who rate Scotscraig higher than Ladybank however having never played Ladybank I can't comment. From anyone I've spoken too they rate Ladybank higher.
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I've not spoken to many who rate Scotscraig higher than Ladybank however having never played Ladybank I can't comment. From anyone I've spoken too they rate Ladybank higher.
duncan mackie
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not getting into the wider issue, I do find this a rather interesting observation.
whilst I don't have any big issues about the established v the developed, I can't help being influenced by the wider environment, and how the course plays, as well as the conditioning. the latter is critical, but as a factor not a fundamental.
to me, inherent in the concept of 'top 100' is courses I would recomend people to spend time, effort and energy to go and play - and in this I just can't see the Belfry as ever making my list on that basis. In this is rather stands out amongst the rest from my experiences; I might move a few around a bit but agree there are subjective and seasonal elements at play in those considerations.
in summary, there are a large number of fantastically conditioned courses out there that could never make a top 100 IMO
Doon frae Troon
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I have thought that for years Dodger, it is called advertising.
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I have played both and IMHO Ladybank is a better course and has the better clubhouse which also has to be included in your decision on rating the full experience. I do think that the list is rather poor and there are courses listed I would never consider to be in the top 250 never mind the top 100.
Personally I don't take anything from this list and find that not enough courses have been played to give a true rating.
If you read Mike H's editorial he makes it abundantly clear how subjective the top 100 is. I've played a few of the ones in this listing (mostly in the South) and even using the limited number as a yardstick, there are some I'd have higher than others in the final listings.
It is subjective and I guess depends to a degree on how well you play on the day. Hit it well and you will always have happy memories. Chop it like a beginner and it takes a strong constitution to find something positive to take away from your day including appreciating the course and its beauty.
I like the way GM do their list as it does seem to take into account many more features and accesses information from a number of sources and isn't all about the editorial panel sitting down and shuffling names on a desk. You will never get a definitive list and as long as the debate is healthy and sensible I love to see people argue the virtues of one course over another
It is subjective and I guess depends to a degree on how well you play on the day. Hit it well and you will always have happy memories. Chop it like a beginner and it takes a strong constitution to find something positive to take away from your day including appreciating the course and its beauty.
I like the way GM do their list as it does seem to take into account many more features and accesses information from a number of sources and isn't all about the editorial panel sitting down and shuffling names on a desk. You will never get a definitive list and as long as the debate is healthy and sensible I love to see people argue the virtues of one course over another
User20205
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it serves a purpose, which is to stimulate debate ! subjective just about covers it !!
I really love Remedy Oak which is on the B list, some other forum members, with a phobia of trees didn't rate it !!
Also if you hate links golf your gonna have issues with 50% of the list
I really love Remedy Oak which is on the B list, some other forum members, with a phobia of trees didn't rate it !!
Also if you hate links golf your gonna have issues with 50% of the list
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Jezz
There are some glaring mistakes in this latest list, it brings into question the ability of the panel to rate a golf course. Please explain to me how you can have Trevose and Royal St Davids ranked above courses like Carne and Enniscrone (not even on the list), Aldeburgh at 77 and Worlington at 100? None of these courses should be in the list. If course conditioning is such a big factor (ref your comment about the Belfry) then why aren't Liphook and Parkstone in the top 50?
This really is a very poor list and I think your review panel should be asking themselves some serious questions about their ability to fairly and subjectively rank courses!
There are some glaring mistakes in this latest list, it brings into question the ability of the panel to rate a golf course. Please explain to me how you can have Trevose and Royal St Davids ranked above courses like Carne and Enniscrone (not even on the list), Aldeburgh at 77 and Worlington at 100? None of these courses should be in the list. If course conditioning is such a big factor (ref your comment about the Belfry) then why aren't Liphook and Parkstone in the top 50?
This really is a very poor list and I think your review panel should be asking themselves some serious questions about their ability to fairly and subjectively rank courses!
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garyinderry
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are all Royal golf courses links courses?
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No, there are lots of inland Royal courses too.
garyinderry
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i also seem to hear about links ones. thanks for clearing that up.
stevek1969
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Portstewart Strand should be in the top 50 a fanatstic track with a cracking clubhouse.
garyinderry
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quality track. played there this summer for first time. loved it. did you try the food ? its nearly as good as the course! 
richart
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it serves a purpose, which is to stimulate debate ! subjective just about covers it !!
I really love Remedy Oak which is on the B list, some other forum members, with a phobia of trees didn't rate it !!
Also if you hate links golf your gonna have issues with 50% of the list
I didn't say I didn't rate it, just forest courses like Remedy Oak, Woburn etc don't suit my style of golf.
Now links courses are a different matter.
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thecraw
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The more I look at that list and the second 100 its very clearly a lazy list and a half hearted effort. Its either that or you've decided to try and be controversial to stimulate debate and get a reaction.
The fall from the top 100 of both Machrihanish Dunes and The Machrie is beyond comprehension in my opinion. Both are fabulous layouts, both are 100% natural and both are the most important factor in golf - fun to play. Your omission of Donald Trumps new venture also raises my eyebrows when a rival magazine rates it top 10 material already! Was The Great Dunes played? If not why not and if so why fail to rate it? I see and have read Fergus Bisset's review of the place.
The Carnegie Club at Skibo is another noticeable absence! Very surprised at that considering the place has been rated higher than Castle Stuart (25 on your list) recently by another golf writer.
Elie in the top 200 in the British Isles - really???? Yet Irvine Bogside, Prestwick St Nicholas, West Kilbride, Scotscraig, Longniddry and Nairn Dunbar etc are not?
To be honest the more I look at that list and certainly the Scottish courses, both there and missing the more I shake my head. I don't claim to be any expert and I only go on my own experiences. Experiences which are not hampered or tarted up for the Golf Monthly review and I will be as bold as to say your article is well wide of the mark and with the Castle course your very wrong.
The fall from the top 100 of both Machrihanish Dunes and The Machrie is beyond comprehension in my opinion. Both are fabulous layouts, both are 100% natural and both are the most important factor in golf - fun to play. Your omission of Donald Trumps new venture also raises my eyebrows when a rival magazine rates it top 10 material already! Was The Great Dunes played? If not why not and if so why fail to rate it? I see and have read Fergus Bisset's review of the place.
The Carnegie Club at Skibo is another noticeable absence! Very surprised at that considering the place has been rated higher than Castle Stuart (25 on your list) recently by another golf writer.
Elie in the top 200 in the British Isles - really???? Yet Irvine Bogside, Prestwick St Nicholas, West Kilbride, Scotscraig, Longniddry and Nairn Dunbar etc are not?
To be honest the more I look at that list and certainly the Scottish courses, both there and missing the more I shake my head. I don't claim to be any expert and I only go on my own experiences. Experiences which are not hampered or tarted up for the Golf Monthly review and I will be as bold as to say your article is well wide of the mark and with the Castle course your very wrong.
stevek1969
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quality track. played there this summer for first time. loved it. did you try the food ? its nearly as good as the course!
Gary i've been going there for the past 6 years now and i reckon i've played Portstewart more than 25 times ,its our base for the week and also for our family holiday as a couple of mates are members there,the new clubhouse is something else with the view from the balcony over The Strand,up to Castlerock and Donegal beyond.
Foxholer
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I think it's called 'passion'.
I'd simply question the weightings given to the various rating criteria. It's been quite a while since I've played more than a dozen in that list, but the ones I have played recently don't match your list particularly well. Still, that's what a yearly list is about - provokes some debate and gives, those courses that wish to, some incentive and measurement of rating.
It would be good to see exactly what the rating criteria and their weightings were. Have you included those?
Imurg
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Isn't that the whole reasoning behind doing such a list?
User20205
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I'm not sure I'd call it that especially when the implication is that the process to put the list together is somehow corrupt. the weighting criteria are included in the magazine, but still a subjective element must have an effect.
in the opening premable it states (paraphrasing) 'tried hard to be objective etc etc but inherent subjective element ....leads to lively debate'
it is possible to have that lively debate without being borderline abusive
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Why are people getting so upset about a list of 100 courses? At the time of writing, in the opinion of the judging panel, some courses are better than others. Simple. If there is a set criteria, accept it and move on. Everyone's view is different. You don't say to someone they are wrong when they prefer a white headed driver to a black headed driver.
There are more important things in the world to worry about than a top 100 course list. Get some nails, some wood and build a bridge. Then get over it.
There are more important things in the world to worry about than a top 100 course list. Get some nails, some wood and build a bridge. Then get over it.
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