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No problems - then I'm sure they can pay the same fees as the adult members :thup:

We have a number of teens at the club and they don't seem to have an issue

And they are expected to behave in a pleasant manner towards others and are given leeway by older members in regards etiquette etc

Do the seniors pay the same? If not do they also play second fiddle to the gents & ladies members?
 

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Classic.

Ok... If a new member joins, keen as anything, but works for a living. She's newish to golf and plays off 35. Saturday is the day she wants to play. Does the roll up make her welcome? Honestly?

Another question, and this isn't necessarily gender related, if a member wants to play Saturday morning but isn't comfortable in the roll up for any reason is it fair that they can't get a time?

I'm just genuinely interested, I don't know how these things play out.

To be honest, it's a scenario that hasn't happened but as we have some 27 and 28 handicappers in our roll up then I reckon, yes she'd be invited. We do have a thriving ladies section though with many of them playing on a Saturday and I would hope they would do their bit to incorporate her as well.

As I said in my replies, if a member wanted to go out then we'd let them go in front of the roll up although to be honest if he was a singleton he'd be in for a slow round at a peak time like that booking system or not. If he was in a pair of even a four, they still have the option of going off the 10th, or waiting. Again, as I've said, common sense tends to govern how these things play out and there are no hard and fast rules. We certainly don't "own" the tee
 
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Do the seniors pay the same? If not do they also play second fiddle to the gents & ladies members?

Seniors pay the same up to the age of 75 or if they have been at the club for over 40 years get reduced rate I believe.

It's a members clubs and with that comes voting and playing rights dependent on the membership a person pays for.
 

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Ah, think I misunderstood. I thought the roll up had a time reserved for it.
The time of the roll up varies each week, depending on competitions, matches etc. It also always goes off later in the morning, early afternoon, so not at the busiest time of the day. We get a text from the organizer letting us know the time each week.

Must admit from what I have read on here, a lot of forumers don't seem to get the idea of a members club. We all try and pull in the same direction, so everyone gets a game when they want one. I know nearly everyone that plays on a regular basis on a Saturday, most are mates, and we sort things out amongst ourselves. At the end of the game we pull the tables together and have a good laugh over a few drinks, and a bit of food. Not for me changing in the carpark, 18 holes, and straight off home afterwards. My choice.
 

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What I'd like to know is how many people play in the roll up / swindles on a typical Saturday comp day at courses without bookings. We average between 175-200 playing the medal on a Sat Medal and I think it would be absolute chaos without booked times and people just turning up and expecting to get on. Obviously if the numbers are a lot lower then it wouldn't be as much of a problem.
 

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What I'd like to know is how many people play in the roll up / swindles on a typical Saturday comp day at courses without bookings. We average between 175-200 playing the medal on a Sat Medal and I think it would be absolute chaos without booked times and people just turning up and expecting to get on. Obviously if the numbers are a lot lower then it wouldn't be as much of a problem.

45 at our winter sweep, they all play at a variety of times through the summer. I normally play before 9 in the summer and most of the winter sweep guys I've never played with before because most play late morning/early pm
 

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The time of the roll up varies each week, depending on competitions, matches etc. It also always goes off later in the morning, early afternoon, so not at the busiest time of the day. We get a text from the organizer letting us know the time each week.

Must admit from what I have read on here, a lot of forumers don't seem to get the idea of a members club. We all try and pull in the same direction, so everyone gets a game when they want one. I know nearly everyone that plays on a regular basis on a Saturday, most are mates, and we sort things out amongst ourselves. At the end of the game we pull the tables together and have a good laugh over a few drinks, and a bit of food. Not for me changing in the carpark, 18 holes, and straight off home afterwards. My choice.

I think I get that, honest, but I'd seen these roll ups as cliques that go contrary to that ethos. As you all continue to educate me I realise I was mistaken....
 

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What I'd like to know is how many people play in the roll up / swindles on a typical Saturday comp day at courses without bookings. We average between 175-200 playing the medal on a Sat Medal and I think it would be absolute chaos without booked times and people just turning up and expecting to get on. Obviously if the numbers are a lot lower then it wouldn't be as much of a problem.
Our roll up doesn't play when there is a competition, as we have booked tees for comps. Roll up is social golf when there are no competitions. If you don't play in our competitions you will have very limited time to play social golf. I think we have a one hour slot for non competion golf. Medals always have about 150 play in them over two days. Saturday is always the busiest day.

Booking on line for competitions, turn up and play the rest of the time.
 

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What I'd like to know is how many people play in the roll up / swindles on a typical Saturday comp day at courses without bookings. We average between 175-200 playing the medal on a Sat Medal and I think it would be absolute chaos without booked times and people just turning up and expecting to get on. Obviously if the numbers are a lot lower then it wouldn't be as much of a problem.

All weekend comps are drawn with allocated tee times
 

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I think I get that, honest, but I'd seen these roll ups as cliques that go contrary to that ethos. As you all continue to educate me I realise I was mistaken....

Don't get me wrong FD, there are probably clubs that operate more the way you imagine, but we aren't all like that :D
 

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I think I get that, honest, but I'd seen these roll ups as cliques that go contrary to that ethos. As you all continue to educate me I realise I was mistaken....
I am pretty sure the Club monitor roll ups though, otherwise you could get little cliques starting up their own, and playing at the peak times. I suppose we only allow official roll ups, when you can all go out together.
 

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45 at our winter sweep, they all play at a variety of times through the summer. I normally play before 9 in the summer and most of the winter sweep guys I've never played with before because most play late morning/early pm

Cheers Val, I was thinking more of the summer though and bigger Sat comps. Lanark is BRS at all times, 9 days in advance for all bookings, comps and social. In the comps/winter sweeps you can add 2 players and join in with anyone in any free spaces that takes your fancy. In social times, if you book a time it closes down the teetime and other members can't add their names, latest thing we introduced to combat this is you can call the pro shop and they show the time as available for people to join by turning the time purple. I can honestly say I haven't missed a comp at Lanark in 2 years at Lanark when I've been looking to play.
 
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What I'd like to know is how many people play in the roll up / swindles on a typical Saturday comp day at courses without bookings. We average between 175-200 playing the medal on a Sat Medal and I think it would be absolute chaos without booked times and people just turning up and expecting to get on. Obviously if the numbers are a lot lower then it wouldn't be as much of a problem.

There is a roll up every morning of about 30

At the weekends there are about 3 on at sat

One at 6:30 with about 30 ( 7:30 in winter )

One at 9:00 with about 20

One at 10:00 with about 30

On Sunday

6:30 lot again

7:30 about 20

8:00 about 20

Have played in most of them over the years but mainly the 10:00 or 6:30 on Sat and 6:30 on Sunday
 

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What I'd like to know is how many people play in the roll up / swindles on a typical Saturday comp day at courses without bookings. We average between 175-200 playing the medal on a Sat Medal and I think it would be absolute chaos without booked times and people just turning up and expecting to get on. Obviously if the numbers are a lot lower then it wouldn't be as much of a problem.

We don't operate a roll up in our usual time slot if there's a comp on. Most of the roll up players would rather play the competition and the cub book the tee 8.00-10.00 for drawn comp times anyway so the problem solves itself
 

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Cheers Val, I was thinking more of the summer though and bigger Sat comps. Lanark is BRS at all times, 9 days in advance for all bookings, comps and social. In the comps/winter sweeps you can add 2 players and join in with anyone in any free spaces that takes your fancy. In social times, if you book a time it closes down the teetime and other members can't add their names, latest thing we introduced to combat this is you can call the pro shop and they show the time as available for people to join by turning the time purple. I can honestly say I haven't missed a comp at Lanark in 2 years at Lanark when I've been looking to play.

Comps have to have a booking system in place, a comp can't work as a roll up
 

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Comps have to have a booking system in place, a comp can't work as a roll up

Just seen that from the responses, I had thought people were rolling up to play in comps but seems to be for social golf. Our tee is booked out from 07:00-15:15 Sat or 07:00-13:15 Sun during the summer just for the medal/comp, not much time left for roll ups.
 

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Just seen that from the responses, I had thought people were rolling up to play in comps but seems to be for social golf. Our tee is booked out from 07:00-15:15 Sat or 07:00-13:15 Sun during the summer just for the medal/comp, not much time left for roll ups.

Not sure about Lanark but we don't really have roll ups in the summer, just the Sunday sweep. 3 roll ups through winter, I've no idea what goes on weekdays but there is roll ups that the old boys and non weekday workers play
 
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Must admit from what I have read on here, a lot of forumers don't seem to get the idea of a members club. We all try and pull in the same direction, so everyone gets a game when they want one. I know nearly everyone that plays on a regular basis on a Saturday, most are mates, and we sort things out amongst ourselves. At the end of the game we pull the tables together and have a good laugh over a few drinks, and a bit of food. Not for me changing in the carpark, 18 holes, and straight off home afterwards. My choice.

Very good post Rich.

I think that many threads on this forum have two sides of an argument, both of which can be attributed to a certain type of golfer. At it's most simplistic, it is probably just those new to golf and those who have played for a long time.


My view is that Hayling and Blackmoor have it right along with lots of other clubs. I would go as far to say that a club with a full-time computer booking system is probably one that I would not join.

Interview questions:

Is there a joining fee?
Does the club supply towels?
Can I play the course accompanied by my dog?
Do you run a computerised booking system?

If it is three yes's followed by a no then you are probably on pretty hallowed golfing turf!
 

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Very good post Rich.

At it's most simplistic, it is probably just those new to golf and those who have played for a long time.

So you're saying it's the older golfer who is stuck in his ways, versus newer more modern golfer who appreciates the world has changed? ;)

(tongue in cheek, but that sounds similar to what you are saying, to a degree?)
 
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