You would expect them to be named? To what purpose? So that they can be harassed by roll up members?
They don't need to be named, nor should they be.
Roll Ups : Entitled or Appreciative ?
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They don't need to be named, nor should they be.
Mandofred
Well-known member
One of the main reasons I left my first club was the powers that be in the club kept everybody in the dark about what was going on. When Covid was ending and things were going back to "kind of normal".....people like me were asking when the rollups could get going again. No info at all....eventually a few people stated that there had been complaints made about the rollups. People pushed pretty hard to find out who/what/why etc and finally they got an answer. One guy had talked to the Chairman while on the practice green and stated that the rollup was in his way......ONE PERSON. It took a lot to even get that info out of the admin (not by me, I stay out of that side of the club). As a member of a club, I at least like to be informed of what is going on. If you are going to make a fairly big change to policy and effect peoples golf...there should be a good reason. One guy. I always assumed the admin were leaning that way anyway and just wanted an excuse to do it.....but they just didn't have the nerve to tell people.
You need to be able to trust the people in the admin to make good decisions.....and it should be made on good info, not just plucked from one person. Once it was announced that they were not going to bring back the rollups because "nobody seemed to care".....oh jeez did the poop hit the fan. LOTS of people cared.....and they had a couple of special meetings to air out the grievances. By that point I was on my way to another club.
@Mandofred that sounds like the committee were pretty poor. No issue there. Did any get voted out next AGM?
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Is all this fuss coming off the back of the roll up being pushed back half an hour?
Bit of a storm is a tea cup.
Bit of a storm is a tea cup.
Mandofred
Well-known member
No idea....the other guy that left shortly after I did is my only source for gossip from the old club. When I first went to K, there was someone on the committee who talked me into going to a meeting one evening to vote on things....they were trying to keep the "old guard" from keeping things in the old days. Even when I left 6+ years later....there was still that old guard that were still in power and keeping secrets....which I didn't like. I'm pretty clueless generally....if I notice something, it means it's worse than that. I've been trying to get myself to Facebook a guy that I played with to see if things are still the same or not. Just from what I've seen on Facebook....the "seem" to be making good steps.....but again, I'm pretty clueless on the politics in clubs.
Mandofred
Well-known member
If I've understood what happened (who knows?), they pushed the rollup back and they were ok with it......then they killed it completely later. (If I have that right?)
PaulMdj
Well-known member
I thought they pushed the roll up back to 11:00, then the Club binned the prebooked slot at 11:00 to fastest finger first and SILH’s group all were on quickest and got bookings for the roll up from 10:30 their original time. He then came on and boasted about what they’d done.
Mandofred
Well-known member
That's how you took it? Is there any other way you could have looked at those same comments.....as in a less negative way?
I'm outta this.....it's turning too ugly.
PaulMdj
Well-known member
Get over yourself…turning ugly! Behave, he posted an update after 2 weeks of nothing on this threading about how the roll up had got 8 times from their original 10:30 time, 3 or 4 people called the tone of the post out.
I replied to you with laughter at how 2 people reading the same post can see it differently.
SILH has replied to the posts and was still called out.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
No they do not need to be named, indeed they shouldn't be and I haven't suggested they should be. But we know nothing about the volume or nature of the complaints - for if we did we could perhaps work out a compromise that satisfied everyone. But we don't. Indeed we have just heard feedback from our club manager that he has not had any complaints, that all is heresay communicated by some committee members and numbers of complaints to committee members our manager knows not.
And just a little bit of historical context. This rollup has been going more than 20yrs and before COVID we just gathered...the club did not use tee booking. We took our places on the tee as we put our ball in the chute with anyone else who wanted to play but not in the rollup. The tee allocation only came about since COVID and the club members decided to keep tee booking.
I'll add..many rollup regulars only voted for the booking system to be retained post COVID given an assurance by the club on the rollup having an allocation.
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The Fader
Newbie
Be careful Paul - the word "behave" is offensive to some!
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Well…Week 2 of our Saturday rollup having no allocated tee times and with a bit of organisation and negotiation with members not wishing to play in it, those wishing to play in the roll up have managed to book nine consecutive tee times from 10:18. So in fact we are quite a bit better off as we have 36 of us teeing off from an earlier and so better time than that we had previously been allocated by the club (11am) and able to get more of us playing (allocation was seven tee times).
What is good and heartening is that it seems that most club members looking to book a tee time when tee booking opens recognise the general time period that the Saturday rollup goes off and so are avoiding it. That might well change over the coming months. One group booked a tee time among us but they were quite happy to swap and move to an earlier time a rollup player had booked. Meant we could move forward and free up a 12:02 tee time that had been booked.
What is good and heartening is that it seems that most club members looking to book a tee time when tee booking opens recognise the general time period that the Saturday rollup goes off and so are avoiding it. That might well change over the coming months. One group booked a tee time among us but they were quite happy to swap and move to an earlier time a rollup player had booked. Meant we could move forward and free up a 12:02 tee time that had been booked.
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Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Imagine that
With a bit of organisation you can all still play together and approx the time you want without the need to have anything blocked off in your favour
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Indeed it looks like we can…though the times we are now booking are those we would imagine would be the ones that those complaining had their eyes on - or indeed they are times that some others were already booking. Having a set of allocated tee times from 11am would, you might have thought, have suited the wider membership in the certainty that that allocation provided for everyone.
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rulie
Head Pro
You're doing it the "right" way - following the rules with no special/expected entitlement. Well done.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
…and we are accepting that the tee times we book might be quite widely spread.
Indeed this Saturday our tee times were spread between 10:02 and 12:02…not particularly conducive to us all gathering in the clubhouse for a bit of fellowship and banter and the draw we do for tee times beforehand. Fortunately we were able to do a bit of rebooking with the support of other members booked but not playing in the rollup.
PaulMdj
Well-known member
Was it yourself who spoke to the other members about rebooking their slot?
rulie
Head Pro
But you are following the club's rules and without feeling any more"entitled" than other members?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
No. I’m thinking it would have been one of our coordinators. May only have been one other group booked in - and most of us know them well and they know most of us. We were able to offer an earlier slot we had booked in exchange for theirs, and I believe that they were more than happy to swap.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
We are - 100%. We are going for tee times at the same time as other members.
And, rather obviously, we only get as many tee times as we can book…and so for instance this coming Saturday we have 36 wishing to join in, but if we could only book, say, 6 tee times in our broad timescales, then only 24 would be in the draw for these tee times.
That hasn’t happened yet, and so I’m not sure how we’d handle it. I’m pretty sure that the only ones who would probably be guaranteed a place in the draw would be the three organisers…none of the rest of us have a right to be in the rollup draw more than anyone else, so we would be in the draw according to first come first served in the order we signed up to be included.
