@Swango1980 most roll ups talked about on here, others that I have come across at former clubs, involve money being asked for. Those that don't ask for anything seem to be the exception rather than the rule.
Roll Ups : Entitled or Appreciative ?
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Swango1980
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I suppose a better thread would be for people to say exactly what it is about roll ups that people don't like.
There are so many variations, many of the disadvantages can be mitigated to, what I would have thought, everybody's benefit. If it is money, don't demand a fee. If it is about playing with mates, draw people with their mates. If it is about time, let people too off early / late if they wish.
RichA
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I think I qualified that statement with the previous bit that you chose to omit, which said, "My opinion is only based on others' descriptions of their roll ups and experience of them at the 2 clubs where I've been a member.
Your roll ups might be a bunch of pleasant fellas. It's not the case at every club."
Arthur Wedge
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Don’t think anyone has said that a roll up isn’t open to all
But a roll up may not suit “all”
A roll up may not allow people to play with friends
A roll may charge people to enter a “roll up” comp
There are any different caveats that cover may aspects of a roll up
An open tee booking sheet is exactly what it says
It’s open to all to play when they want and with who they want and not have to “ask” someone lofted people in a roll up if they can play with their mates in a tee time
They can be really grown up adults and make that choice themselves in an “OPEN Tee Time” booking
RichA
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Herts/ Essex borderlands or, as it's traditionally known, Eastend overspill.He lives in a rough part of the world
Not necessarily rough, but usually loud.
RichA
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You didn't mention the warm drinks before. If there's also a hip flask involved I'm in!
RichA
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That sounds kinda like a standard members' booking system. Why does the semi-organised roll-up need to do what the club is already doing for all the members?
Swango1980
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There is a lot of "may's" there when you talk about roll ups. Which highlights what I've been saying. people seem to be making very strong arguments against roll ups, yet specific roll ups may not have a lot of the issues you don't favour.Don’t think anyone has said that a roll up isn’t open to all
But a roll up may not suit “all”
A roll up may not allow people to play with friends
A roll may charge people to enter a “roll up” comp
There are any different caveats that cover may aspects of a roll up
An open tee booking sheet is exactly what it says
It’s open to all to play when they want and with who they want and not have to “ask” someone lofted people in a roll up if they can play with their mates in a tee time
They can be really grown up adults and make that choice themselves in an “OPEN Tee Time” booking
An Open slot isn't really open to all. Because, as I've already said, not all members have buddies to play with, do they? You or I may have 2 or 3 mates to play with and we can stick our names down as soon as we can. There may be quite a lot of members who don't have that luxury.
A lot of members may not be able to commit to weekend rounds a long way in advance, and only ever know they can play a few days before. Not much use to them there is an Open booking system with no slots available to them
Swango1980
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Because it accommodates people who have no one to play with or can only commit to golf a short time before the day. It is good for those people that are actually interested in extending their golfing circle, or new members who know nobody at the club.
There are a lot of benefits to a roll up, probably why they exist at all at quite a few clubs. If they were completely negative, there would be no reason for any club to have them at all I suppose.
RichA
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Fair comment.
Mandofred
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I haven't been playing much lately (a new thread coming on that), but started thinking about rejoining my first club. I miss a good open field practice ground. One of the guys in the rollup I was in....at least during the winter.....always had a flask of good quality whiskey, and offered to everybody. I'm not a whiskey fella so never had any.....not sure why I've never liked whiskey, my family is full of whiskey drinkers.
Arthur Wedge
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And many clubs have organised swindles that are there for people who don’t have people to play with and can join up
Maybe multiple ways to integrate new single players into the club
RichA
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The good stuff stays at home for sipping.
After witnessing my plebby mates each throw a shot of Talisker straight down their throats then exclaim, "Burns a bit", the hip flask gets filled up with Jamieson's these days.
Swango1980
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I'm not sure if there is a definition thing going on here. Because, I see swindles, fiddles, roll-ups as all the same thing. In other words, an organised set of tee slots outside of a club competition, where people can turn up, get put into a group and off they go and play golf. I'm not sure there is any official definition of all, for example, in one you must pay and in another it is free.
Are you happy with swindles but not roll ups, and if so, what is the difference?
Arthur Wedge
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The swindles we have don’t have reserved tee times
No one does
The only time a tee is reserved is for club competitions or club matches
Swango1980
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How does a swindle work then, out of interest? Do individuals not still have to book their own tee time and find people to play with?
rulie
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Our "groups" play Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Each day is a subset of about 40 members. Saturday is the largest participation, usually 16 to 28 players. Other days are typically 12 to 16. The majority of us try to book tee times for each day. We can book online ("fast finger") seven days in advance and booking opens one hour before the first tee time of the day being booked, eg, if first tee time on Monday is 7 AM, we can book the preceding Monday starting at 6 AM. The organizer suggests the time period (normally 8 - 9 AM) for the tee times and watches the tee sheet to see who has booked which tee times. He knows who and how many will be playing and quickly emails everyone to say which tee times to keep (others are then cancelled by the person who booked them). The organizer makes the draw for the day and emails that to players and the golf shop.
When we book the tee times, we book in our own name and three "guests", ie, four players. Each member can book two tee times per day, but not within the next four hours of his first booked time.
When we book the tee times, we book in our own name and three "guests", ie, four players. Each member can book two tee times per day, but not within the next four hours of his first booked time.
Arthur Wedge
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We have someone who asks the group who can play on the day , they do a random draw and then when tee bookings open the guys enter their group into the tee time
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Really…it was a ‘throwaway’ comment on observing that you might agitate or lobby for something you think will be better than what you have, but your situation can end up worse than what you had. It’s a comment/phrase that I hear used quite commonly in such circumstances, and not as far as I am aware, in a bragging, arrogant or pompous way. I’m sorry if it came across that way.
And yes, as I said, we took a chance looking to book tee times from 10:30 and we probably got lucky…maybe not next week or the week after. We will just have to see.
GreiginFife
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One of the reasons I joined another club was the Saturday and Sunday “Sweeps”. Allocated the same 6 tee bookings each week and pretty much a closed shop (24 play in each every week) and at this time of year with daylight being squeezed it makes getting times incredibly difficult. I was on BRS bang on 7pm last Sunday to look at this Sunday and within 20 seconds the first tee was 1230. No good for me.
But the sweeps have their times regardless. Was enough to make me join elsewhere.
But the sweeps have their times regardless. Was enough to make me join elsewhere.
