Roll Ups : Entitled or Appreciative ?

[Arthur Wedge]

I guess people who already have their regular group to play with feel they should be entitled to ALL the prime slots?

That’s not the case - surely they feel they should be entitled for the same chance to book the prime slots

A fourball of mates aren’t asking for a tee time reserved for them - they are asking for the ability to book any tee time

 

[Swango1980]

That’s not the case - surely they feel they should be entitled for the same chance to book the prime slots

A fourball of mates aren’t asking for a tee time reserved for them - they are asking for the ability to book any tee time

They still can. Book any slot they want, or join the roll up. Nobody is shutting them out from anything. And, depending on how groups are decided in the Roll Up, I'm sure it isn't a stretch to allow the 4 mates to play together in the same group anyway.

 

[RichA]

Some members just want to play golf with their pals; not join a roll up.

I guess people who already have their regular group to play with feel they should be entitled to ALL the prime slots?

I don't think anyone has said anything like that.

 

[rulie]

Absolutely spot on. This rollup was completely open to all - there are no ‘members’ of the rollup and no one had a ‘right’ to play in one of the allocated tee times - it was first come first served. When the tee allocation was full you were a reserve. On the morning we all gathered and a random draw for groups was made.

Some club members not wanting to play in the rollup, but with their mates at a time of their choosing, complained…had done for some time. Some months ago the rollup was pushed back to later in the morning to 11am first tee, and its tee allocation reduced. Forced upon us. We didn’t like having to play from 11am but the club decided and so it was. Didn’t stop the complainers. More complaining from members complaining that the rollup shouldn’t have allocated tee times on a Saturday. So the rollup was given no choice. Over the winter months we are competing for tee times with all other members.

And so for this Saturday - and for the next 5months, those wishing to play in the rollup notified the organisers ten days in advance and we are organised to book tee times for however many had signed up for it when booking opens.

To this Saturday, the first of the winter rollups. We had decided to take our chances and look to book tee times from our traditional start time of 10:30am. And that is what we’ve done. - eight consecutive tee times from 10:34am. Those moaning at us, have effectively got us organised and competing with them for tee times between 10:30am and 11am. Some of us…through devilment as much as anything else, pushed for booking from 9am or 9:30am..but we are a decent bunch of club members…and so that idea was quashed…for the time being.

And for those who think rollups such as our Saturday one are inevitably exclusive or elitist. A total of 67 members old and new played in our Saturday rollup this summer.

That is exactly what our regular groups do - book our tee times just like everyone else. We're organized and usually get more tee times than we need and quickly cancel those we don't need. Other members and groups do the same - we all recognize the times/days when the various "groups" are going to book and swap booked times. However, often our times are not consecutive - others (visitors) prebooked by staff have been inserted.

 

[Mandofred]

Without being rude, you are a 5 day member, roll ups/swindles/societies are much easier to accommodate during the week.
Weekends are prime time, and the only time, for some members and equal access should be given to all.

Huh? sounds a bit rude.......how have you concluded that I am a 5 day member? And I agree....rollups are much easier to do during the week...which is when I usually take part in them.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

They still can. Book any slot they want, or join the roll up. Nobody is shutting them out from anything. And, depending on how groups are decided in the Roll Up, I'm sure it isn't a stretch to allow the 4 mates to play together in the same group anyway.

They can’t book any spot they want because a roll up has some pre booked - so what if they don’t want to play in the roll up but want to play during the tee times the roll up have reserved

And they are all the same levels of members

It comes to the time when the tees are open every single person in the club has the same choice available - that’s the fairest way possible for every single member

 

[Swango1980]

Some members just want to play golf with their pals; not join a roll up.

I don't think anyone has said anything like that.

See my comment just before yours regarding your first point.

As for the second point. It seems like a few have used the "arrogance / entitlement" claim against those who want roll ups. I simply suggested it could be seen as the other way round, for those who enjoy playing in roll ups. In all honesty, it all seems a bit childish. Some people like roll ups, some people like playing with their mates. Roll ups might work brilliantly at some clubs, and the alternative is not better. At other clubs, just letting the fastest finger first mob get all the tee slots might seem best for them. And at other clubs, it might not be so busy that they are flexible enough to do either without any sort of controversy.

 

[Swango1980]

They can’t book any spot they want because a roll up has some pre booked - so what if they don’t want to play in the roll up but want to play during the tee times the roll up have reserved

And they are all the same levels of members

It comes to the time when the tees are open every single person in the club has the same choice available - that’s the fairest way possible for every single member

So, a group of 4 members want to play together, but at 10:45 which is one of the slots reserved by the roll up. So, they turn up to the roll up and do the following:

"Good morning. Can we play together in a 4 ball, and do you mind if we go out at about 10.45 please?". All being well, problem solved.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

So, a group of 4 members want to play together, but at 10:45 which is one of the slots reserved by the roll up. So, they turn up to the roll up and do the following:

"Good morning. Can we play together in a 4 ball, and do you mind if we go out at about 10.45 please?". All being well, problem solved.

You being very specific for some reason

How about

Groups of mates want to play at a certain time

The week before they book that time and then go and play knowing they have guaranteed that time by using “open booking to all”

There is no need to twist and turn to try and manipulate things

A fully open tee sheet allows everyone the same fair chance to book a time tee of their choosing

 

[Swango1980]

You being very specific for some reason

How about

Groups of mates want to play at a certain time

The week before they book that time and then go and play knowing they have guaranteed that time by using “open booking to all”

There is no need to twist and turn to try and manipulate things

A fully open tee sheet allows everyone the same fair chance to book a time tee of their choosing

No, it certainly does not. As I've said countless times, it gives an advantage to those that can book early and have mates already to play with. If it is a fastest finger course first, it gives an advantage to those that can get on the system immediately when slots become available. If that is midnight, it doesn't favour those that are asleep. If it is some other time, it doesn't favour those that are busy working or something.

You asked me a very specific question about a group pf people not wanting to play a roll up, but wanting to play a time in the roll up slots. Therefore, I thought a specific answer would be what you were looking for? You seem to be identifying problems that don't need to exist in a roll up. A roll up can still be open to every single member of the club, and they should be able to accommodate people playing together and so on.

If we were talking about a specific roll up, that only allowed certain sections to join and was very rigid in groups (essentially like a club comp), then I'd be more inclined to agree that this group of people have some sort of extra privilege over others

 

[RichA]

See my comment just before yours regarding your first point.

As for the second point. It seems like a few have used the "arrogance / entitlement" claim against those who want roll ups. I simply suggested it could be seen as the other way round, for those who enjoy playing in roll ups. In all honesty, it all seems a bit childish. Some people like roll ups, some people like playing with their mates. Roll ups might work brilliantly at some clubs, and the alternative is not better. At other clubs, just letting the fastest finger first mob get all the tee slots might seem best for them. And at other clubs, it might not be so busy that they are flexible enough to do either without any sort of controversy.

I'm sorry - I'm not sure which comment you mean.
I may have liked a post that used the words arrogant and entitled, but I don't believe I've tapped them out myself.
My opinion is only based on others' descriptions of their roll ups and experience of them at the 2 clubs where I've been a member.
Your roll ups might be a bunch of pleasant fellas. It's not the case at every club.
I don't particularly want to have to ask permission from the 20 loudmouthed geezers crowding the first tee and cheering/jeering every shot if we can squeeze our fourball in.
I like to book my chilled out round of golf with pals through the club - not an unsanctioned club within the club.

 

[PaulMdj]

Huh? sounds a bit rude.......how have you concluded that I am a 5 day member? And I agree....rollups are much easier to do during the week...which is when I usually take part in them.

Apologies if it came across as rude, but earlier on in this thread you told us your present Club only has roll ups mon-fri and works very well, which you play in. I interpreted that as you being a 5 day member.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

So, a group of 4 members want to play together, but at 10:45 which is one of the slots reserved by the roll up. So, they turn up to the roll up and do the following:

"Good morning. Can we play together in a 4 ball, and do you mind if we go out at about 10.45 please?". All being well, problem solved.

Do they have to go to the cash point first, buy something they don't want so that they have change, and then pay into the roll up that they don't want to pay into, just to play their game?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

No, it certainly does not. As I've said countless times, it gives an advantage to those that can book early and have mates already to play with. If it is a fastest finger course first, it gives an advantage to those that can get on the system immediately when slots become available. If that is midnight, it doesn't favour those that are asleep. If it is some other time, it doesn't favour those that are busy working or something.

You asked me a very specific question about a group pf people not wanting to play a roll up, but wanting to play a time in the roll up slots. Therefore, I thought a specific answer would be what you were looking for? You seem to be identifying problems that don't need to exist in a roll up. A roll up can still be open to every single member of the club, and they should be able to accommodate people playing together and so on.

If we were talking about a specific roll up, that only allowed certain sections to join and was very rigid in groups (essentially like a club comp), then I'd be more inclined to agree that this group of people have some sort of extra privilege over others

The option will be the very same for everyone


Tee time opens - anyone and everyone can book that tee time

It’s not pre booked for anyone - tee is open to “ALL”

 

[Mandofred]

I don't particularly want to have to ask permission from the 20 loudmouthed geezers crowding the first tee and cheering/jeering every shot if we can squeeze our fourball in.

Oh jeez....are we a bit biased with our thinking?

 

[Mandofred]

Example: Tee times open at 7pm on xxxx day for a week/2 weeks from then. Fastest finger wins. 50 "loudmouthed geezers" trying to get their tee time.....or 50 folks in their 30's trying to get their tee time? Who do you think is likely to get most of their tee times? Who do you think is more likely to like the fastest finger wins model of getting tee times?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Oh jeez....are we a bit biased with our thinking?

He lives in a rough part of the world

 

[Mandofred]

He lives in a rough part of the world

Actually....when I got to thinking about it....it IS pretty scary walking up to 35 old farts with biker coats golf bags and thermos's full of warm drinks.

 

[Swango1980]

Do they have to go to the cash point first, buy something they don't want so that they have change, and then pay into the roll up that they don't want to pay into, just to play their game?

Are we assuming roll ups cost a fee now as well?

Perhaps we need to talk about all the different ways a roll up can be run, speak about the pros and cons of each, and decide which ones we like (if at all), and which we don't. Otherwise, this thread is a bit pointless, because either side are just going to make the worst possible case assumptions for the thing they are objecting.

When we held roll ups at our last club, the following was the case:

• Open to every single member, and when new members joined they were told they were welcome to come along
• We would generally do a random draw, but if anyone wanted to play together, no problem
• If anyone had to get away first, we let them get away first. If anyone needed a later time, we let them play later
• There was no charge to play. Sometimes, people agreed to stick in £2 for a cashpot. However, this was not necessary, and sometimes people chose to simply play with no fee or not be in for any prize after. We may also have people wanting to put cards in for handicap, so obviously they didn't pay anything either

I struggled to see the negative of the above. In fact, for me personally I probably know about 40/50 people I could happily play golf with and see as golfing friends, which works well as I'll always have a round of golf with people I know, rather than have to rely on 2 or 3 golfing buddies being able to play that day. I suppose this is why I have a strong view that roll ups are a positive thing, and not necessarily the privileged or entitled set up that some people might suggest. But, maybe I was lucky in that this is how we ran them, maybe other clubs run them differently and seen as a negative, such as charging people to play?

 

[Swango1980]

The option will be the very same for everyone


Tee time opens - anyone and everyone can book that tee time

It’s not pre booked for anyone - tee is open to “ALL”

Why do you continually ignore the fact that the Roll Up is open to ALL as well?