larmen
Head Pro
For all you worried about long trips, I came across these people on YouTube right now
They taking Niro to France, showing their ‘troubles’.
The all things EV chat thread
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harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
I do find the new VED rules to be a bit ridiculous. They actively encourage older higher polluting vehicles as they are intending to up the charge in significantly. The expensive car tariff needs to be moved as the £ was de-valued, as well.
So I think EVs should be making some contribution but not the figures we are seeing here the 5 yr rule is greedy on all levels and deters the purchase of cleaner vehicles.
Generally the wrong message .. I wonder if some one who isn’t a thick plonker will intervene and come up with a sensible policy of taxing high cost charge points ( being utilised by high mileage road users mainly and business fleets ) . I would tax people like Alan Sugar who has advocated “bums on seats” at source for having Offices in major conurbations that cannot be justified but impact transportation infrastructure.
So I think EVs should be making some contribution but not the figures we are seeing here the 5 yr rule is greedy on all levels and deters the purchase of cleaner vehicles.
Generally the wrong message .. I wonder if some one who isn’t a thick plonker will intervene and come up with a sensible policy of taxing high cost charge points ( being utilised by high mileage road users mainly and business fleets ) . I would tax people like Alan Sugar who has advocated “bums on seats” at source for having Offices in major conurbations that cannot be justified but impact transportation infrastructure.
cliveb
Head Pro
We have always had a mechanism that taxes cars based on how much pollution they generate: fuel duty. Burn more fuel, pay more tax. Seems completely sensible. For EVs, just add "fuel duty" based on the number of kWh you put into them. Presumably EVs do record this data?
To impose extra tax just because your car is expensive is simply the politics of envy. What other justification is there? Fortunately for me I've never owned, nor ever likely to own, a high value car that attracts the "luxury" VED surcharge. But that doesn't alter my belief that it's unjustifiable.
To impose extra tax just because your car is expensive is simply the politics of envy. What other justification is there? Fortunately for me I've never owned, nor ever likely to own, a high value car that attracts the "luxury" VED surcharge. But that doesn't alter my belief that it's unjustifiable.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
40k for a car isn't luxurious these days. Add a few options and a lot of cars reach it from the lesser brands
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
All new home chargers have to be able to record how much kWh goes through them
However 3 pin chargers don't and neither do old chargers, you then would have people just using 3
pin chargers to avoid tax as not all EVs record the information
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
Might I suggest it hasn’t always been based on emissions. Previously it was just “road tax” and perhaps it’s time to return to calling it that. We have all hit potholes and complain (rightly) about them, but all vehicles contribute to their making, not just ICE vehicles. Something has to pay for their repair.
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
Exactly, but brutal honesty of it is that there is a healthy profit margin as well. I remember being told Range Rover cost JLR £39k and they were selling at £120k .. not all cars have this margin especially the small ones but they are worthwhile to produce
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
Exactly and perhaps weight classes should be used with an emissions addition on top .. so yes your EV will be charged and they are usually higher in the weight classification but lower in the emissions..
We do have the brake / tyre particles to consider but that’s whole vehicle and should be conducted as a std WLTP cycle at curb +2 and Curb +4.
The mileage element on EV can be broken into a simple calculation of everyone is entitled to x kW based on an efficiency of say 2.8miles/kw and first 8000miles are free there after your bill increases in bands ..
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
The last time it was road tax was 1936 so thats a long time ago.
Robster59
Tour Rookie
Fair enough. But the 7 Series
GreiginFife
Money List Winner
In fairness, the demograph that the 7 is aimed at are not really renowned for taste...Fair enough. But the 7 Series
Neilds
Assistant Pro
Golfers?
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
The last time it was road tax was 1936 so thats a long time ago.
I get you’re probably too young to have changed you tax disc in the car, but whether it was for a road fund license, it was known as a tax disc, and everyone knew what people meant by car tax.
I get you’re probably too young to have changed you tax disc in the car, but whether it was for a road fund license, it was known as a tax disc, and everyone knew what people meant by car tax.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Not at all. Tax discs were 2014 ending so I had been driving 11 years with a "tax disc" however they haven't been road tax since 1936 just incorrectly referred to as road tax by people since then.
Is there any such thing as 'road tax'? - BBC News
Cyclists often report that aggressive motorists justify their behaviour on the basis that they pay “road tax”. But there is no such thing.
www.bbc.co.uk
I remember changing my vehicle excess duty disc every year.
Road repairs come for general taxation
larmen
Head Pro
bobmac
Major Champion
Are you anywhere near Sheffield?
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larmen
Head Pro
Much closer to Shepherd’s Bush than Sheffield ;-)
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
This is one of the things that should really grate with every one.
When road tax was introduced it was to be used to pay for the upkeep of the roads.
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
Which is how it should be.
bobmac
Major Champion
It will always be called ''road tax'' in my house.
