The all things EV chat thread

[Lord Tyrion]

They don't need a charger, just a plug socket.
Plug in when you get there and charge (albeit slowly) while you work.

A/ they may not allow you to trail cables around their car park
B/ you may not be able to park close enough to a socket for your cables to reach
C/ is that form of charging not incredibly slow?
D/ in cold or wet weather, this is the UK, they are unlikely to leave doors or windows open to thread a cable through

 

[Fade and Die]

A/ they may not allow you to trail cables around their car park
B/ you may not be able to park close enough to a socket for your cables to reach
C/ is that form of charging not incredibly slow?

D/ they may not allow you to use their electricity for free
E/If they do is this a benefit in kind?

 

[PJ87]

D/ they may not allow you to use their electricity for free
E/If they do is this a benefit in kind?

No EV charging is not bek for charging

"Finally, any charging in the workplace (for example, in a company car park) is BIK-tax-free, even if for personal use."

"General description of the measure
This measure introduces legislation to exempt from Income Tax and National Insurance contributions any liability arising from the provision of charging facilities (including electricity) to employees recharging all-electric or plug-in hybrid vehicles at or near the workplace, where facilities are made available generally to the employer’s employees. It does not cover reimbursements for charging elsewhere paid for by the employee."

Workplace charging for all-electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles

www.gov.uk

 

[Fade and Die]

No EV charging is not bek for charging

"Finally, any charging in the workplace (for example, in a company car park) is BIK-tax-free, even if for personal use."

"General description of the measure
This measure introduces legislation to exempt from Income Tax and National Insurance contributions any liability arising from the provision of charging facilities (including electricity) to employees recharging all-electric or plug-in hybrid vehicles at or near the workplace, where facilities are made available generally to the employer’s employees. It does not cover reimbursements for charging elsewhere paid for by the employee."

Workplace charging for all-electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles

www.gov.uk

I think that’s to do with properly installed chargers not the granny charger arrangement that Bob was talking about. I know a few sites that will not allow people to plug in these extension leads and charge there car that way. The BIK thing was just a question.

 

[PJ87]

I think that’s to do with properly installed chargers not the granny charger arrangement that Bob was talking about. I know a few sites that will not allow people to plug in these extension leads and charge there car that way. The BIK thing was just a question.

I know a few work places that do tho, however not all would.

The bek question has been asked many times needs putting to bed.

 

[Fade and Die]

I know a few work places that do tho, however not all would.

The bek question has been asked many times needs putting to bed.

If a granny charger runs at 2kwh a quick google shows that’s about 68p per hour, run for 6 hours a day it’s £4, 5 days a week it’s £20. So you can see why the companies will not let their employees use them.

 

[bobmac]

A/ they may not allow you to trail cables around their car park
B/ you may not be able to park close enough to a socket for your cables to reach
C/ is that form of charging not incredibly slow?
D/ in cold or wet weather, this is the UK, they are unlikely to leave doors or windows open to thread a cable through

A/ or they may allow you
B/ you could ask
C/ Yes, but if you're there all day, you get 80-100 miles
D/ Outdoor plug sockets

I'm not saying everyone should buy an EV as I know they don't suit everyone's requirements but the costs are coming down, the range is improving and the charging infrastructure is improving at a great rate.
When I first looked into buying an Ev there were around 45,000 connectors and they were installing around 600 chargers per month. Today there are over 70,000 chargers and installing around 1,600 chargers per month.

How many EV charging points are there in the UK - Zapmap

How many EV charge points are on the UK's public charging network, which networks have the most charge points and they are are located

www.zap-map.com

EVs are not for everyone and if they don't suit your need, stick with your ice car

 

[PJ87]

If a granny charger runs at 2kwh a quick google shows that’s about 68p per hour, run for 6 hours a day it’s £4, 5 days a week it’s £20. So you can see why the companies will not let their employees use them.

Indeed. However some companies care not about this

Yes you can see why some companies would but I can assure you not all care.

However that's why a lot install proper chargers .. because then it's managed by an outside agency who charge the employee majority of the time.

Tesco was free for ages for all customers. Now it depends on store, a quick check the local one is 44p a kw

Again it was free before but has been raised with the cost of living.

But as I said previously I know a few companies that let their employees granny charge and don't mind.

 

[Slime]

Already been thought of. Guy at work his sister has a flat, they have chargers with cards that bill you to your flat

How many flats per charger?

 

[PJ87]

How many flats per charger?

Sorry I don't have the building schematics but I'm sure won't be enough to fit the arguement against so it will be deemed another reason that "they won't work" even though they already are

 

[Slime]

Sorry I don't have the building schematics but I'm sure won't be enough to fit the arguement against so it will be deemed another reason that "they won't work" even though they already are

Simmer, I was just asking a question.

 

[PJ87]

Simmer, I was just asking a question.

Google is your friend

 

[Slime]

Google is your friend

Not my friend, I don't use Google.

 

[Neilds]

Link: EVs damaging the roads

Another unplanned consequence of the rise in electric vehicles

 

[PJ87]

Link: EVs damaging the roads

Another unplanned consequence of the rise in electric vehicles

Yet more proof that investment is needed rather than turning off the taps.

Roads have been a state before EVs due to cuts.

 

[clubchamp98]

VED should be decided on weight .
emmisions don’t damage the roads but weight does.

The taxes motorists pay are not used on the roads or they would be like billiard tables with underfloor heating.
Always been that way.

 

[bobmac]

Link: EVs damaging the roads

Another unplanned consequence of the rise in electric vehicles

So a cement company say more roads should be made from cement. Brilliant, not biased at all.

It's a shame they forgot to mention that there are 5.5 million more cars on the roads today than 20 years ago. Not to mention trucks, lorries and oil tankers.

 

[Robster59]

And then who pays for the fuel? How would I split my energy bill to clearly show I used x amount of electricity to charge my car and then get my company to pay for it? It’s a massive grey area at the minute, couple of lads have plug in hybrids but they never charge the battery as the boss says they won’t pay for the electricity for the above reason.

My company installed the charger for my hybrid at my house. They will fund it up to a certain value, anything above that you have to pay the additional cost.
In terms of charging, we use Chargepoint. Once the car is plugged in, I swipe a Chargepoint card against the charger to turn it on, or use the Chargepoint App to start it. The charger has a SIM in it that sends back the charging amount back to the company. I pay for the electricity used for charging my company car, and my company reimburse me for it. If we had a second (personal) EV or PHEV, then I could charge it using the same charger, but I would have to set up a separate account for that and pay it via my credit card. If I tried to charge two cars using my company account, they would soon work it out using the programme they have for our mileage reporting as I would be using too much electricity for the mileage. I also have a fuel card which I use both for petrol and for paying for chargers whilst travelling on business (if I find a Chargepoint charger, it doesn't cost me anything).
Somewhere in the mileage reporting software, there is an algorithm that works all this out.

 

[Neilds]

So a cement company say more roads should be made from cement. Brilliant, not biased at all.

It's a shame they forgot to mention that there are 5.5 million more cars on the roads today than 20 years ago. Not to mention trucks, lorries and oil tankers.

The report was an independent one conducted by Leeds University

 

[Beezerk]

My company installed the charger for my hybrid at my house. They will fund it up to a certain value, anything above that you have to pay the additional cost.
In terms of charging, we use Chargepoint. Once the car is plugged in, I swipe a Chargepoint card against the charger to turn it on, or use the Chargepoint App to start it. The charger has a SIM in it that sends back the charging amount back to the company. I pay for the electricity used for charging my company car, and my company reimburse me for it. If we had a second (personal) EV or PHEV, then I could charge it using the same charger, but I would have to set up a separate account for that and pay it via my credit card. If I tried to charge two cars using my company account, they would soon work it out using the programme they have for our mileage reporting as I would be using too much electricity for the mileage. I also have a fuel card which I use both for petrol and for paying for chargers whilst travelling on business (if I find a Chargepoint charger, it doesn't cost me anything).
Somewhere in the mileage reporting software, there is an algorithm that works all this out.

Thanks for that I appreciate it
One thing is for certain, my company won’t pay for the installation of a charger, they made that quite clear at a meeting last year and then said we’d have to pay to top up the battery ourselves hence the two lads don’t plug the car in at home.
Do you know the rate for paying private miles in an EV? We currently pay around 12p per mile for private use although that fluctuates slightly depending on the price at the pump.