The all things EV chat thread

[GreiginFife]

In most vehicles (whether this be car, truck, van and EV, IC or AN-Other) Adaptive Cruise Control WILL NOT perform an emergency braking action in the event of an imminent collision. It is designed to track vehicles in front and keep a distance whilst cruising.

In the event of an imminent collision, Automatic Emergency Braking (part of collision detection safety systems) will activate and apply higher braking force. Some cars with AEB will have ACC, for the most part ALL cars that have ACC will have AEB or a similar system.

AEB is always on in most cars (although it's activation is usually adjustable from Early to late, this only affects the distance at which it activates from the slower object) but it cannot be deactivated completely (without hacking the control unit).

In addition, newer cars will also detect stationary or smaller objects that are NOT vehicles (people and animals for example) that any form of cruise control will not as they are not moving vehicles in front.

They are separate systems, whether they do similar things is irrelevant, they utilise the control systems differently and cause the vehicle to react/behave in different ways.

 

[bobmac]

I'm getting sick of this, I'm out

 

[PJ87]

@bobmac etc when we spoke about car tariffs being the day rate was too high etc

Octopus go rates are going to same during day as the price cap for July but 9.5p night

So it now is time to switch to go again to ensure cheap night at no penalties

 

[bobmac]

I guess that the situation with charging stations is already satisfactory. What bothers me more about EV is their relatively small range. When it hits 1000km+ I believe it will be a gamechanger.

1. How many Ice cars can travel over 600 miles without stopping?
2. How often do you drive over 600 miles without stopping?
3. Forgetting the range of the car, what's the range of your bladder?
4. The average speed of car journeys in the Uk is 50mph, so you are looking at 12 hours non stop driving?

I would stick with ICE cars if I were you.

 

[Slime]

1. How many Ice cars can travel over 600 miles without stopping?
2. How often do you drive over 600 miles without stopping?
3. Forgetting the range of the car, what's the range of your bladder?
4. The average speed of car journeys in the Uk is 50mph, so you are looking at 12 hours non stop driving?

I would stick with ICE cars if I were you.

If I were to drive 600 miles I'd stop, say, three times for about 10 minutes a stop.
I'd also average a bunch more than 50mph.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I'm getting sick of this, I'm out

Shock

 

[bobmac]

Shock

I meant I was out of the argument, but thank you for your contribution

 

[bobmac]

I'd also average a bunch more than 50mph.

Does that include getting to and from the motorways and the hold ups, traffic jams, accidents, roadworks and stops?
Even if it was an average of 60, that's still 10 hours without stops which in my opinion is unhealthy and unsafe

 

[Tom Ferras]

1. How many Ice cars can travel over 600 miles without stopping?
2. How often do you drive over 600 miles without stopping?
3. Forgetting the range of the car, what's the range of your bladder?
4. The average speed of car journeys in the Uk is 50mph, so you are looking at 12 hours non stop driving?

I would stick with ICE cars if I were you.

The problem is that there are much more gas stations than chargers. So the range is a paramount issue. When you are running out of gas it is not a problem to find a gas station nearby but when you suddenly have a low battery in your car you risk to find zero chargers near you. That is what I am talking about.

 

[PJ87]

The problem is that there are much more gas stations than chargers. So the range is a paramount issue. When you are running out of gas it is not a problem to find a gas station nearby but when you suddenly have a low battery in your car you risk to find zero chargers near you. That is what I am talking about.

Really depends where you live.

But also if you have a driveway you have your own fuel station.

The idea is plug in at night wake up to full car. You don't let it run to empty constantly. You have to adapt.

 

[TimShady]

Trip completed. It started fully charged with 260 mile range. We did 180 miles, the range left was 50 miles. Air con and radio were on, car loaded. Overtaking was done, no holds barred. Seemed fair enough.

Car was comfy, spacious, fast, quiet. All in all, very, very nice. I'd happily have one, at half the price . Very impressive.

Only downside, a couple of times it falsely thought we were going to crash into something and slammed on the brakes. Luckily the driver was used to this but it gave me a shock, and did him when he first got the car. Tech

I find the automatic lane detection a complete nightmare at times, so can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like when a car decides it’s going to brake for me!

 

[bobmac]

When you are running out of gas it is not a problem to find a gas station nearby but when you suddenly have a low battery in your car you risk to find zero chargers near you. That is what I am talking about.

All Evs clearly show you the level of charge in your battery.
There is no such thing as suddenly having a low battery.

The problem is that there are much more gas stations than chargers

You might want to check the figures on that as California has more EV chargers than any other state in the US

 

[Beezerk]

I find the automatic lane detection a complete nightmare at times, so can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like when a car decides it’s going to brake for me!

And when it tries to pull you back into a cyclist you’re overtaking on a country road

Anyway this is my charging map, slim picking for me


As much as I’d love an electric car it’s a big no for me at the minute given the amount of miles I do per year.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Nobody does a long journey without breaks. The issue at the moment is that with an ice car you stop when you want, where you want. With an electric car that changes. You have to plan your stops and the endless chargers on show in the picture are not the same across the country. I can currently do a 500 mile trip on one tank, no need to refill. I do stops but I don't need to find a stop with a charger, I don't need to reach my destination and spend time that could be better spent elsewhere waiting for my car to charge. That behaviour may well have to change, it may become part of travelling, but when people talk about wanting a range of 600 miles +, or equivalent, it is not because they want to do this in one uninterrupted journey.

 

[PJ87]

And when it tries to pull you back into a cyclist you’re overtaking on a country road

Anyway this is my charging map, slim picking for me
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As much as I’d love an electric car it’s a big no for me at the minute given the amount of miles I do per year.

It's more about per day

I'm 50 miles a day , 12,000 year but could do up to 120 miles a day even in deepest winter without going close to empty

 

[PJ87]

Nobody does a long journey without breaks. The issue at the moment is that with an ice car you stop when you want, where you want. With an electric car that changes. You have to plan your stops and the endless chargers on show in the picture are not the same across the country. I can currently do a 500 mile trip on one tank, no need to refill. I do stops but I don't need to find a stop with a charger, I don't need to reach my destination and spend time that could be better spent elsewhere waiting for my car to charge. That behaviour may well have to change, it may become part of travelling, but when people talk about wanting a range of 600 miles +, or equivalent, it is not because they want to do this in one uninterrupted journey.

Thing is tho 600mile range is unrealistic. Tech isn't there yet and people moan about cost now. They wouldn't be able to afford the range

However if you take the Kona or niro 280 mile roughly but 250 minimum.. 64 kw battery 100kw recharge speed would fill that back up in under 45 mins

However there are chargers coming of 350 kw speed

It's not how far it goes it's how quick you cann refill it (theoretically) in 10 mins to full...



It's why telsa are so popular with business people. Tax reasons and their charge network and speed is outstanding

 

[Beezerk]

It's more about per day

I'm 50 miles a day , 12,000 year but could do up to 120 miles a day even in deepest winter without going close to empty

I do anything from 30 to 330 miles per day but I average around 45,000 a year, my leccy bill would literally be through the roof and besides it just isn’t practical for me right now.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Thing is tho 600mile range is unrealistic. Tech isn't there yet and people moan about cost now. They wouldn't be able to afford the range

However if you take the Kona or niro 280 mile roughly but 250 minimum.. 64 kw battery 100kw recharge speed would fill that back up in under 45 mins

However there are chargers coming of 350 kw speed

It's not how far it goes it's how quick you cann refill it (theoretically) in 10 mins to full...



It's why telsa are so popular with business people. Tax reasons and their charge network and speed is outstanding

Does the rapid charging not trash the battery or have they solved that now?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Long journey in ice car

Drive - need to fill up , pop into garage , fill up , quick 5 min stretch , back into car on my way

Leccy - fill up , plan for when the leccy runs out , stop off at a charging station , wait around whilst it charges - half hour plus , then back into car and on your way


The ICE there is no planning , your refuel will just be at any garage and is short

Leccy - your refuel length will for some be determined by what’s being used by the battery - radio , Sat Nav , air con , you may have to stop twice - and each stop is significantly longer than ICE and fast charging isn’t great on the battery - but you can stop for a meal and relax during a long journey whilst it’s charging.


For many on those long journeys the stopping and the ease of it in an ice car is still an overriding factor for most

Perfect example would be the most recent trip to Woodhall , filled up car and it got me there and back , there was no chargers at Woodhall , none at the hotel , but I could pop to a Tescos and see if one of the two were free in morning or go to a charger in a garage.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I do anything from 30 to 330 miles per day but I average around 45,000 a year, my leccy bill would literally be through the roof and besides it just isn’t practical for me right now.

You charge up overnight, drive to your site, they have no charger. You do your job, then have to find a charger, sit there for x amount of time when you could be on your way home. That's a big part of the current problem for me. Having to spend time unnecessarily sat there.