The all things EV chat thread

[PJ87]

Yup, it made me jump but he had been through it before so was able to react to it straight away. The system was over sensitive. I've had a version of this on a previous car, Skoda, but it only kicked in at slowish speeds and when you were right up against something, ie pedestrian. This was seeing a parked car on a bend in a layby and kicking in then, not anticipating the bend of the road. It was not good, needs tweaking.

This tech does need tweeking but also it's not much use until everyone has it

What sort of car size would you look at? I'm looking at second hand Kia EV niro £20-22k at auction 2 years old 5 year warranty 250 mile range

That would tick a lot of boxes for me and bin the big car when the kids are out of car seats

 

[Lord Tyrion]

This tech does need tweeking but also it's not much use until everyone has it

What sort of car size would you look at? I'm looking at second hand Kia EV niro £20-22k at auction 2 years old 5 year warranty 250 mile range

That would tick a lot of boxes for me and bin the big car when the kids are out of car seats

It isn't on the horizon for me I'm afraid. Can't justify the cost of it right now. I absolutely see the positives but things need to alter a little more still, including prices dropping, for me to get one.

It was interesting to be in one though and I only took positives from it from a purely electric car persepective (ignoring the braking thing which it sounds is not exclusive to Tesla but is a safety gizmo)

 

[PJ87]

It isn't on the horizon for me I'm afraid. Can't justify the cost of it right now. I absolutely see the positives but things need to alter a little more still, including prices dropping, for me to get one.

It was interesting to be in one though and I only took positives from it from a purely electric car persepective (ignoring the braking thing which it sounds is not exclusive to Tesla but is a safety gizmo)

With the cost of manufacturing rising, interest rates rising I can only see prices dropping if companies get desperate

Leasing isn't as attractive anymore I'm moving to second hand buying , sod paying 5%

 

[Alan Clifford]

Was this thing sold as a "Smart" car. For some definition of smart.

It sounds as though it is a safety device across a few brands. Perhaps sounds good in theory, less so in practice.

Now you know the driving system is faulty, would you step foot in the thing again?

 

[bobmac]

What?

I could be wrong but I think that's the adaptive cruise control which can be adjusted or even turned off

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I could be wrong but I think that's the adaptive cruise control which can be adjusted or even turned off

I'm pretty sure it wasn't that. It is some sort of collision avoidance system though. Whether it can be turned off or not . It might not let you.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Now you know the driving system is faulty, would you step foot in the thing again?

Yes, but only with someone driving the car who knows it happens and is prepared for it. It made me jump as I wasn't ready for it. It was different for the driver and he made the correction very quickly.

If I had one of these I'd research the car better, find out what it was and try to do something about it. I'd be disappointed if my experience was standard and be unable to be corrected.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't that. It is some sort of collision avoidance system though. Whether it can be turned off or not . It might not let you.

My VW Transporter has this, and yes it can be a total nuisance.MIne has gone off when it doesn't understand the situation fully, and yes going into full emergency stop can be very scary to you the driver, and the car behind who almost decorates your rear end.
With the VW (and Mazda ) they show a visual warning along with an alarm before the brakes engage, and tapping the brake pedal cancels it off in a "I know what I'm doing" way

 

[clubchamp98]

I could be wrong but I think that's the adaptive cruise control which can be adjusted or even turned off

No it not.
it does work on Adaptive cruise control.
it’s a collision avoidance, but in my case it nearly caused one.

mine does it in reverse if it picks up the garden wall.

Its not subtle either it slams the brakes on
mines a VW T Cross.

To many gizmos in modern cars imo the driver should have full control, but it can invalidate your insurance if you turn them all off.

 

[bobmac]

The adaptive cruise control keeps my car a set distance (which I set) from the car in font so if the car in front brakes, so does my car, therefor avoiding a collision. It only works when I have the cruise control turned on.

 

[GreiginFife]

The adaptive cruise control keeps my car a set distance (which I set) from the car in font so if the car in front brakes, so does my car, therefor avoiding a collision. It only works when I have the cruise control turned on.

Adaptive cruise and collision detection are two separate systems in most cars.

E.g in mine the collision detection is part of the safety systems suite, along with lane departure and ESP/DSC.

Adaptive cruise is part of the driver assistance suite along with speed camera detection and speed limit warnings.

One can be deactivated in full (driver assistance) whilst the other can only be partially deactivated or reduced in severity (collision detection can be set to early, medium or late but cannot be switched off).

 

[bobmac]

Adaptive cruise and collision detection are two separate systems in most cars.

E.g in mine the collision detection is part of the safety systems suite, along with lane departure and ESP/DSC.

Adaptive cruise is part of the driver assistance suite along with speed camera detection and speed limit warnings.

One can be deactivated in full (driver assistance) whilst the other can only be partially deactivated or reduced in severity (collision detection can be set to early, medium or late but cannot be switched off).

So they both do the same thing and are not exclusive to EVs?

 

[PJ87]

So they both do the same thing and are not exclusive to EVs?

Last thing is key, so many cars have them .. yet you don't see massive failures of them reported daily

 

[GreiginFife]

So they both do the same thing and are not exclusive to EVs?

No, they don’t do the same thing but absolutely not exclusive to EVs and I didn’t claim to the contrary.

In fact, I’m pretty sure I said “on most cars”

I realise you like an argument these days, but I am not arguing. Merely pointing out that adaptive cruise and built in safety systems are NOT the same thing on most vehicles. Which includes EV, ICE and any other propulsion system.

 

[GreiginFife]

Last thing is key, so many cars have them .. yet you don't see massive failures of them reported daily

Possibly because they don’t fail that often?

Could be an Occam’s Razer type scenario there.

The guy with the Tesla has just been unfortunate that his has developed a possible fault. EV or ICE, safety systems Don’t fail that often as to warrant mass complaints in my experience.

 

[PJ87]

Possibly because they don’t fail that often?

Could be an Occam’s Razer type scenario there.

The guy with the Tesla has just been unfortunate that his has developed a possible fault. EV or ICE, safety systems Don’t fail that often as to warrant mass complaints in my experience.

That's exactly my point. It's a much of a non story

 

[bobmac]

No, they don’t do the same thing but absolutely not exclusive to EVs and I didn’t claim to the contrary.

I didn't say you did but the inference was there from earlier posts.

In fact, I’m pretty sure I said “on most cars”

I realise you like an argument these days, but I am not arguing.

I am perfectly within my right to give my point of view. If you don't like it put me on ignore or report me.

Merely pointing out that adaptive cruise and built in safety systems are NOT the same thing on most vehicles. Which includes EV, ICE and any other propulsion system.

So one system detects a slow moving/parked car in front and slows the car down /stops to avoid a collision.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Perhaps the clue is in it's name. Adaptive cruise control is just that, the car will adapt the speed to match the car in front only when cruise is active.
Emergency brake assist/ city brake assist is always on and only drops anchor when it detects an imminent collision.

Adaptive cruise has been out long before EV's were produced. The emergency brake assist is part of the safety add-ons fitted to most cars, regardless of movement forms.

 

[bobmac]

Perhaps the clue is in it's name. Adaptive cruise control is just that, the car will adapt the speed to match the car in front only when cruise is active.

The adaptive cruise control keeps my car a set distance (which I set) from the car in font so if the car in front brakes, so does my car, therefor avoiding a collision. It only works when I have the cruise control turned on.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

So they both do the same thing and are not exclusive to EVs?

Ok, I understand.
You really did know the difference but chose to pick. Thats fine with me