The all things EV chat thread

[PJ87]

To be fair I have accepted I am not the typical EV user, and that they may be great purchases for those suited to them.

But my highlighting of issues personal to me, which absolutely apply to others as well, is met with staunch opposition from those who see EV’s as the answer to everything.

They might be great for those individuals, but their failure to accept that EV’s are not suited to all is breathtakingly narrow minded.

I apologise if I offended you, just fed up of the hatchet job the press is doing on EVs (now they have caught on and people are dawning that them succeeding is going to cost them and their companies a lot of money)

All you get here is a negative comment then liked by the usual suspects are completely anti EV

I appreciate you see more of the network than most, your example with the i3 is interesting however the i3 is very much a city car compared to say an id4

 

[PJ87]

True, but nobody can deny that the difference in range between winter and summer seems far greater for an EV than ICE.

The interesting question is: why is that?
They are both consuming energy in order to move the car and run things like heaters and lights.
So why is the winter degradation so much worse for an EV?
Is it simply because the batteries are far less efficient (presumably have less capacity) when cold?

"Cold temperatures adversely affect EV batteries because they rely on chemical reactions to store and release electricity. Lithium-ion batteries – the most common cells used in electric and hybrid cars – work when lithium ions move from the anode to the cathode; cold slows this process down and restricts battery performance."

Same is said with my house battery it uses more to get to 100% in the winter than it does in the summer

 

[Billysboots]

I apologise if I offended you, just fed up of the hatchet job the press is doing on EVs (now they have caught on and people are dawning that them succeeding is going to cost them and their companies a lot of money)

All you get here is a negative comment then liked by the usual suspects are completely anti EV

I appreciate you see more of the network than most, your example with the i3 is interesting however the i3 is very much a city car compared to say an id4

No offence taken - I’m pretty thick skinned! All I ask at times is that others don’t dismiss well evidenced opinions simply because those opinions don’t conform.

 

[cliveb]

Remember how we went through a period when we were all encouraged to replace incandescent light bulbs with compact fluorescent ones? And how it turned out that they were pretty much a pointless diversion before truly worthwhile LED bulbs came along?

I can't help thinking that the current state of electric vehicles is somewhat analogous.

Hopefully some time soon a better technology for personal transport will emerge that will be cheap and convenient enough to make it economically worth switching away from ICE cars. When that happens I will be first in the queue.

 

[PJ87]

Remember how we went through a period when we were all encouraged to replace incandescent light bulbs with compact fluorescent ones? And how it turned out that they were pretty much a pointless diversion before truly worthwhile LED bulbs came along?

I can't help thinking that the current state of electric vehicles is somewhat analogous.

Hopefully some time soon a better technology for personal transport will emerge that will be cheap and convenient enough to make it economically worth switching away from ICE cars. When that happens I will be first in the queue.

Hydrogen will play a part, however majority of experts I've read have said it will be mainly for haulage, construction etc

Electric is the most efficient in terms of energy per mile traveled, the others you burn more , yes can travel further but raw energy wise

Hydrogen you burn a lot of electricity to make

We need to change aswell, lots of people I know when they retire would happily Uber everywhere , those Ubers become efficient

City's are adapting well, DPD and Tesco round my way are pure electric vehicles and they do a lot of miles per day , that's a great emission reduction.

 

[bobmac]

They might be great for those individuals, but their failure to accept that EV’s are not suited to all is breathtakingly narrow minded.

I take it that's aimed at me?

 

[Billysboots]

I take it that's aimed at me?

Not just you, no. But if the cap fits, Bob.

I dip into this thread only occasionally, and have contributed to it on a handful of occasions, and all I really see from you is a belligerent refusal to accept that some people dislike EV’s.

 

[Robster59]

I work for a company that is one of the largest global manufacturers of hydrogen and, whilst they are continuing investment in the production of Green Hydrogen, at the moment they also agree that it is not the solution for domestic vehicles. The challenge of transporting and storing hydrogen in the capacity required to match that of Petrol/Diesel stations makes it more of a long term option, if an option at all. But it definitely has a use in haulage, public transport, perhaps even flight, etc.

As I have said before, I am not against EV's. I agree they have a place. But I also see their limitations in many scenarios as well. The colleague I spoke to has to plan his journey so that he has to take an extended lunch to charge his car so that limits what he can do in the day. That's his decision and that is fine. The tax benefit for him was too much to ignore. I live in Glasgow and my job takes me all over the UK & Ireland so I have some long journeys and can't do with the long delays caused by charging my car.

In the future, I think an EV would be an ideal car for my partner as she doesn't do much mileage at all, and any long journeys we do in my car.
My only gripe on here is that if I do express an opinion that is not totally 100% Pro EV, and point out weaknesses in the infrastructure, I get pounced on. It's almost like "if you're not with us, you're against us!"

 

[Deleted member 31467]

My only gripe on here is that if I do express an opinion that is not totally 100% Pro EV, and point out weaknesses in the infrastructure, I get pounced on. It's almost like "if you're not with us, you're against us!"

Probably the truest words ever written on this forum

 

[adasko]

My only gripe on here is that if I do express an opinion that is not totally 100% Pro EV, and point out weaknesses in the infrastructure, I get pounced on. It's almost like "if you're not with us, you're against us!"

My opinion is a lot of people buying EV only thinking how much they can save on fuel without considering other factors. There is no perfect car either ICE or EV.
There's nothing wrong with expressing opinion but what annoy me is when people buying car that can only do 120 miles on a charge and than complaining when they doing 200+ miles trip.
My tesla is not perfect But with the millage I do money I was spending on diesel now is paying for my EV.
There is few things that annoy me with my car but I did all the calculation before ordering fully aware of pros and cons.

 

[bobmac]

Not just you, no. But if the cap fits, Bob.

I dip into this thread only occasionally, and have contributed to it on a handful of occasions, and all I really see from you is a belligerent refusal to accept that some people dislike EV’s.

So I'm belligerent, narrow minded, patronising and belittling?

Post 52 Nov 2020

EVs are not for everyone yet.
Some can't afford a new one, some need more range, some can't charge at home, some just like the noise of a V8.
But things are changing, you only have to look at the car adverts on TV..... they are mostly hybrid or fully electric.

Post 2067

Just for future reference......
We know the charging infrastructure isn't there yet
We know new EVs are still to expensive for some
We know the range isn't enough for some
We know the charging isn't fast enough
We know not everyone can charge at home
We know not all chargers work.

But be assured that many people are working to improve these issues and while EVs may not suit everyone at the moment, things are improving and faster than many think.
And if you don't want an EV wait till 2029 and buy a brand new ICE car and keep it for 20 years

Post 2488

Today, there are more than 130 fully or part electric vehicles available to buy or lease in the UK.
There's not one for everyone yet but they're getting there.

Post 2592

You've just got to buy a car that suits your lifestyle. If you do 1000's of motorway miles a year, don't buy an EV yet.

Post no. 3527

I understand that as of today with charging speeds and lack of working chargers, EVs are not for everyone.

Post no. 3665

''I've said all along, EVs aren't for everyone....yet.
The charging infrastructure isn't there yet
They're too expensive and take too long to charge.
But there are lots of clever people out there working hard to sort out these issues.
Patience''

My only gripe on here is that if I do express an opinion that is not totally 100% Pro EV, and point out weaknesses in the infrastructure, I get pounced on. It's almost like "if you're not with us, you're against us!"

It's not that it's just the same arguments day after day, month after month, year after year.
Batteries only last 3 years....cars cost £70k, infrastructure is crap, takes hours to charge etc etc.

I've never disagreed with anyone about the drawbacks to EVs, I know what they are, but there are some people whose views are a little out of date, so I try and help bring them up to speed.
In the future, I don't think I'll bother.
Buy what you need and want.

 

[Billysboots]

So I'm belligerent, narrow minded, patronising and belittling?

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It's not that it's just the same arguments day after day, month after month, year after year.
Batteries only last 3 years....cars cost £70k, infrastructure is crap, takes hours to charge etc etc.

I've never disagreed with anyone about the drawbacks to EVs, I know what they are, but there are some people whose views are a little out of date, so I try and help bring them up to speed.
In the future, I don't think I'll bother.
Buy what you need and want.

Pity you ignored the PM I sent you, Bob.

 

[KenL]

The batteries only last 3 years?
Tell us more...

 

[bobmac]

Pity you ignored the PM I sent you, Bob.

Apologies, I didn't see it until after I posted my comment

 

[Billysboots]

Apologies, I didn't see it until after I posted my comment

No worries Bob - time to draw a line under our disagreement and move on. My apologies for any offence caused.

 

[bobmac]

No worries Bob - time to draw a line under our disagreement and move on. My apologies for any offence caused.

Pm sent.
2 years in my house hiding from Covid hasn't done me any good.

 

[Billysboots]

Pm sent.
2 years in my house hiding from Covid hasn't done me any good.

Thanks Bob. It’s been a peculiar couple of years, and we’re still paying the price.

 

[Robster59]

Well done chaps.

 

[Piece]

I rarely look at this thread but it does interest me.

Has anyone here discussed synthetic fuel? That's seems to me a logical alternative to fossil fuels. I don't know much about it but it seems keeping the same petrol/diesel infrastructure and replacing with synthetic fuel could be a far cheaper alternative? Would welcome to see the opinions from those really in the know here.

 

[Deleted member 15717]

I rarely look at this thread but it does interest me.

Has anyone here discussed synthetic fuel? That's seems to me a logical alternative to fossil fuels. I don't know much about it but it seems keeping the same petrol/diesel infrastructure and replacing with synthetic fuel could be a far cheaper alternative? Would welcome to see the opinions from those really in the know here.

Synthetic fuel is the natural step for me. Especially with F1 moving to it in the next few years.

does depend how expensive any modifications to cars might cost, but think Synthetics is the answer