The all things EV chat thread

[Deleted member 31467]

It's really very very simple.

Short journeys, home charging........EV is fine.

Longer runs...........ICE.

But I'm sure someone will disagree with me................

 

[Deleted member 31467]

I don't understand why people constantly complaining about EV ranges. If you know you gone be doing long journeys buy a car with a bigger battery.
Or if public infrastructure doesn't work for you and you drive more than 150 miles a day just buy tesla with it supercharger network.
Got my tesla model 3 mid December, done just under 8k miles already never had to worry about charging away from home.
At the end of the day you got what you paid for.

Exactly. And not everyone can afford huge amounts of money for a car with a big battery.

 

[adasko]

Exactly. And not everyone can afford huge amounts of money for a car with a big battery.

But if you can't afford bigger battery why buying electric car and then complaining about it.

 

[Deleted member 31467]

But if you can't afford bigger battery why buying electric car and then complaining about it.

Maybe because lots of people (myself included) would like to go EV but can't afford anything that suits their needs?

 

[GreiginFife]

I don't understand why people constantly complaining about EV ranges. If you know you gone be doing long journeys buy a car with a bigger battery.
Or if public infrastructure doesn't work for you and you drive more than 150 miles a day just buy tesla with it supercharger network.
Got my tesla model 3 mid December, done just under 8k miles already never had to worry about charging away from home.
At the end of the day you got what you paid for.

Out of interest, how many Tesla superchargers are there in Scotland?
I can’t think of a single one I’ve seen or heard of in Fife.

 

[adasko]

Maybe because lots of people (myself included) would like to go EV but can't afford anything that suits their needs?

But that is just bonkers. It's like you start playing golf but not interested in used clubs so go and bought brand new juniors clubs because they were cheaper.
They still golf clubs just doesn't work for you.
A lot of people is not interested in used electric cars. Plenty to choose from for a reasonable money.

 

[adasko]

Out of interest, how many Tesla superchargers are there in Scotland?
I can’t think of a single one I’ve seen or heard of in Fife.

There is enough to get you from Inverness to Exeter. Google tesla trip planer you can choose which tesla you have and where you want to go.
It will calculate you your journey with how long you have to charge.

 

[Deleted member 31467]

There is enough to get you from Inverness to Exeter. Google tesla trip planer you can choose which tesla you have and where you want to go.
It will calculate you your journey with how long you have to charge. View attachment 47319

Have you looked at the mileage on reasonably priced Teslas then factored in the battery depreciation from all the charge cycles? Great if you can afford a new one but realistically how many people can?

 

[PJ87]

Have you looked at the mileage on reasonably priced Teslas then factored in the battery depreciation from all the charge cycles? Great if you can afford a new one but realistically how many people can?

A Study on Real-Life Tesla Battery Deterioration

Tesla cars are known for their long range, providing hundreds of miles on a single full charge—but how does the battery hold up after years of use? To find out, we've analysed real-life data submitted by hundreds of car owners to determine how Tesla batteries deteriorate over time.

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Have you?

Will you still get decent range after your car has covered 50,000 miles, 100,000 miles or even more? The data shows that the average Tesla battery still regularly provides over 90% of the original range up through 100,000 miles or more on the odometer. Past 125,000 miles or so, the range starts to drop off, but cars in the survey still delivered over 80% of their original range even at the highest mileage levels.

For example, the handful of cars with 200,000+ miles were still getting 81 - 87% of their original range, equivalent to over 200 miles

 

[adasko]

Have you looked at the mileage on reasonably priced Teslas then factored in the battery depreciation from all the charge cycles? Great if you can afford a new one but realistically how many people can?

if the car is less than 5 years and under 100k miles you can purchase additional warranty for the battery for the extra peace of mind

 

[Deleted member 31467]

if the car is less than 5 years and under 100k miles you can purchase additional warranty for the battery for the extra peace of mind

Clearly you have the funds to buy a Tesla, congratulations. I don't, I drive a diesel that will give a touring range over 600 miles. I like the the freedom that gives me, I'm not tied to waiting for chargers to come free or even be working. I don't have to sit around while my car charges from 10 to 80%. What about the missing 30%, people seem to forget about that when quoting range. A 200 mile range minus 30% is only 140, factor in the drop in miles per KWH due to motorway speeds and any motorway journey becomes a total pain in the backside.

But you carry on promoting EVs but just remember that practical affordable ones are way out of reach of the average working man.

 

[adasko]

Clearly you have the funds to buy a Tesla, congratulations. I don't, I drive a diesel that will give a touring range over 600 miles. I like the the freedom that gives me, I'm not tied to waiting for chargers to come free or even be working. I don't have to sit around while my car charges from 10 to 80%. What about the missing 30%, people seem to forget about that when quoting range. A 200 mile range minus 30% is only 140, factor in the drop in miles per KWH due to motorway speeds and any motorway journey becomes a total pain in the backside.

But you carry on promoting EVs but just remember that practical affordable ones are way out of reach of the average working man.

I don't get it earlier on you wrote you would like to get EV, now you wrote you like the freedom of 600 miles in your diesel car.
All I'm saying people buying electric car that can only do x amount of miles and then complain it doesn't do y amount of miles.
If the car is out of anyone budget and you buy next best thing don't expect anything more than you paid for.

 

[Deleted member 31467]

I don't get it earlier on you wrote you would like to get EV, now you wrote you like the freedom of 600 miles in your diesel car.
All I'm saying people buying electric car that can only do x amount of miles and then complain it doesn't do y amount of miles.
If the car is out of anyone budget and you buy next best thing don't expect anything more than you paid for.

You're missing the point. I'm not complaining about the range, I'm saying a car with a truly usable range (400 miles?) either doesn't exist or is massively expensive.

 

[cliveb]

No I'm just questioning your mathematics. As scientifically it's impossible for a van to do "exactly" the same mpg in summer as winter.

True, but nobody can deny that the difference in range between winter and summer seems far greater for an EV than ICE.

The interesting question is: why is that?
They are both consuming energy in order to move the car and run things like heaters and lights.
So why is the winter degradation so much worse for an EV?
Is it simply because the batteries are far less efficient (presumably have less capacity) when cold?

 

[clubchamp98]

What annoys me is that people will remark upon the comments made whilst completely ignoring the context.

Here’s a scenario, a perfectly realistic one, to illustrate my point. Had the i3 I drove yesterday been my first job of the morning it would have been sitting on my driveway the night before teasing me with its 100% charged range of 170 miles. I think I am well within my rights to expect that, if driven carefully, I can drive it 120 miles without a stop, so on that basis I contact the receiving customer with an ETA.

Not only that, but having factored in public transport between jobs, if needed, I also contact customers I am due to deal with later in the day to arrange collection and delivery schedules.

Alas, because the i3 won’t do anywhere near what I can rightly expect, I have to stop to charge it. It takes me time to find a vacant and serviceable charging point and charge the vehicle, all of which adds an hour to the job, totally unexpectedly. I miss the delivery time, irritate the customer and, much to my dismay, miss my bus and have to wait an hour for the next one. I think you can see where this is going - there is the clear potential for the rest of my day to unravel and, given the nature of vehicle movement logistics, very possibly my next day as well.

It is within that context that I make my observation, and yet other contributors, notably Bob, are very quick to slap me down. He did the same a year or so ago when I bemoaned the fact that I had to stop twice when driving an e-Golf from Bristol to Nottingham, turning a 3 1/2 hour journey into one over 5. I was effectively told I was foolish for trying to drive a car designed for local trips that sort of distance. Well, I didn’t really have a choice!

On that occasion I planned my two stops using one of the apps. The first “public” charging point turned out to be behind a barrier at a police station. I turned my attention to the next, a BP charging station. That turned out to be in a car park at a shopping centre, and had I tried to use it I have little doubt someone would have left their EV charging whilst they went to do their shopping, leaving me to pay a car park charge for the privilege of driving straight in and out again. So I moved on to the third location, whilst all the time my available range was disappearing faster than half a dozen Pro V1’s out of my bag on a bad day.

So. From the perspective of a person who has to collect and deliver EV’s regularly, it can perhaps be seen why I despise the things. I accept the unexpected - delays due to road closures, buses not running to schedule and so on - but the issue with EV charging logistics, especially in unfamiliar locations, is something which can completely compromise my working day, and frequently does.

And whilst I accept that owning one is a different kettle of fish, my experience of driving them all over the country in frequently new surroundings is such that I will not be buying one any time soon. Finding a petrol station is easy, pretty much anywhere. Finding an available and serviceable EV charging point not so much, and until that changes it’s an ICE for me.

Sorry, EV lovers. But no amount of your “don’t be so ridiculous” shenanigans will make me change my mind.

That shows if you need to be in a place at a certain time you need military organisation or a bit of luck.

EVs still have many problems and I would take your opinion ( real world) as an honest appraiser.
Unfortunatly some just don’t see the problems as it dosnt affect them.

 

[GreiginFife]

That shows if you need to be in a place at a certain time you need military organisation or a bit of luck.

EVs still have many problems and I would take your opinion ( real world) as an honest appraiser.
Unfortunatly some just don’t see the problems as it dosnt affect them.

That’s the general forum playbook though. If it works for me (or xx number of others) then if it doesn’t work for you, YOU must be the problem.

That and clearly, and often emphatically, implying something and then using the get out “who said that” or “Show me where I said…”

Rinse and repeat.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What annoys me is that people will remark upon the comments made whilst completely ignoring the context.

Here’s a scenario, a perfectly realistic one, to illustrate my point. Had the i3 I drove yesterday been my first job of the morning it would have been sitting on my driveway the night before teasing me with its 100% charged range of 170 miles. I think I am well within my rights to expect that, if driven carefully, I can drive it 120 miles without a stop, so on that basis I contact the receiving customer with an ETA.

Not only that, but having factored in public transport between jobs, if needed, I also contact customers I am due to deal with later in the day to arrange collection and delivery schedules.

Alas, because the i3 won’t do anywhere near what I can rightly expect, I have to stop to charge it. It takes me time to find a vacant and serviceable charging point and charge the vehicle, all of which adds an hour to the job, totally unexpectedly. I miss the delivery time, irritate the customer and, much to my dismay, miss my bus and have to wait an hour for the next one. I think you can see where this is going - there is the clear potential for the rest of my day to unravel and, given the nature of vehicle movement logistics, very possibly my next day as well.

It is within that context that I make my observation, and yet other contributors, notably Bob, are very quick to slap me down. He did the same a year or so ago when I bemoaned the fact that I had to stop twice when driving an e-Golf from Bristol to Nottingham, turning a 3 1/2 hour journey into one over 5. I was effectively told I was foolish for trying to drive a car designed for local trips that sort of distance. Well, I didn’t really have a choice!

On that occasion I planned my two stops using one of the apps. The first “public” charging point turned out to be behind a barrier at a police station. I turned my attention to the next, a BP charging station. That turned out to be in a car park at a shopping centre, and had I tried to use it I have little doubt someone would have left their EV charging whilst they went to do their shopping, leaving me to pay a car park charge for the privilege of driving straight in and out again. So I moved on to the third location, whilst all the time my available range was disappearing faster than half a dozen Pro V1’s out of my bag on a bad day.

So. From the perspective of a person who has to collect and deliver EV’s regularly, it can perhaps be seen why I despise the things. I accept the unexpected - delays due to road closures, buses not running to schedule and so on - but the issue with EV charging logistics, especially in unfamiliar locations, is something which can completely compromise my working day, and frequently does.

And whilst I accept that owning one is a different kettle of fish, my experience of driving them all over the country in frequently new surroundings is such that I will not be buying one any time soon. Finding a petrol station is easy, pretty much anywhere. Finding an available and serviceable EV charging point not so much, and until that changes it’s an ICE for me.

Sorry, EV lovers. But no amount of your “don’t be so ridiculous” shenanigans will make me change my mind.

Learned a while back that it’s impossible to provide any real life negatives about electric cars on here - it’s almost cult like at times.


There are so many negatives about electric cars - cost being one and how unpractical they are for lots of drivers. And even them being “green” isn’t that great

At some stage a lot of the negatives will be sorted but we are a long way away from that.

 

[IJames]

What annoys me is that people will remark upon the comments made whilst completely ignoring the context.

Here’s a scenario, a perfectly realistic one, to illustrate my point. Had the i3 I drove yesterday been my first job of the morning it would have been sitting on my driveway the night before teasing me with its 100% charged range of 170 miles. I think I am well within my rights to expect that, if driven carefully, I can drive it 120 miles without a stop, so on that basis I contact the receiving customer with an ETA.

Not only that, but having factored in public transport between jobs, if needed, I also contact customers I am due to deal with later in the day to arrange collection and delivery schedules.

Alas, because the i3 won’t do anywhere near what I can rightly expect, I have to stop to charge it. It takes me time to find a vacant and serviceable charging point and charge the vehicle, all of which adds an hour to the job, totally unexpectedly. I miss the delivery time, irritate the customer and, much to my dismay, miss my bus and have to wait an hour for the next one. I think you can see where this is going - there is the clear potential for the rest of my day to unravel and, given the nature of vehicle movement logistics, very possibly my next day as well.

It is within that context that I make my observation, and yet other contributors, notably Bob, are very quick to slap me down. He did the same a year or so ago when I bemoaned the fact that I had to stop twice when driving an e-Golf from Bristol to Nottingham, turning a 3 1/2 hour journey into one over 5. I was effectively told I was foolish for trying to drive a car designed for local trips that sort of distance. Well, I didn’t really have a choice!

On that occasion I planned my two stops using one of the apps. The first “public” charging point turned out to be behind a barrier at a police station. I turned my attention to the next, a BP charging station. That turned out to be in a car park at a shopping centre, and had I tried to use it I have little doubt someone would have left their EV charging whilst they went to do their shopping, leaving me to pay a car park charge for the privilege of driving straight in and out again. So I moved on to the third location, whilst all the time my available range was disappearing faster than half a dozen Pro V1’s out of my bag on a bad day.

So. From the perspective of a person who has to collect and deliver EV’s regularly, it can perhaps be seen why I despise the things. I accept the unexpected - delays due to road closures, buses not running to schedule and so on - but the issue with EV charging logistics, especially in unfamiliar locations, is something which can completely compromise my working day, and frequently does.

And whilst I accept that owning one is a different kettle of fish, my experience of driving them all over the country in frequently new surroundings is such that I will not be buying one any time soon. Finding a petrol station is easy, pretty much anywhere. Finding an available and serviceable EV charging point not so much, and until that changes it’s an ICE for me.

Sorry, EV lovers. But no amount of your “don’t be so ridiculous” shenanigans will make me change my mind.

You are not the typical user - and should probably declare that where appropriate! Same may apply to some ICEs, but both expectation and and infrastructure are well established - and topping up is a much simpler process too! That doesn't actully detract from the comments, just emphasises the current situation, which will, no doubt, improve with time - it's just too important not to! Worth noting that the very early motorised vehicles were pretty inconvenient, come not particularly beneficial, either!

 

[Billysboots]

You are not the typical user - and should probably declare that where appropriate! Same may apply to some ICEs, but both expectation and and infrastructure are well established - and topping up is a much simpler process too! That doesn't actully detract from the comments, just emphasises the current situation, which will, no doubt, improve with time - it's just too important not to!

To be fair I have accepted I am not the typical EV user, and that they may be great purchases for those suited to them.

But my highlighting of issues personal to me, which absolutely apply to others as well, is met with staunch opposition from those who see EV’s as the answer to everything.

They might be great for those individuals, but their failure to accept that EV’s are not suited to all is breathtakingly narrow minded.

 

[clubchamp98]

To be fair I have accepted I am not the typical EV user, and that they may be great purchases for those suited to them.

But my highlighting of issues personal to me, which absolutely apply to others as well, is met with staunch opposition from those who see EV’s as the answer to everything.

They might be great for those individuals, but their failure to accept that EV’s are not suited to all is breathtakingly narrow minded.

Yes my son has two EVs but he has asked me if he can borrow my ICE car for his holidays.
Must admit three kids in the back munching crisps and fizzy drinks I nearly said “no”

but I will get a Vw id5 for two weeks.

I asked him why and range and lack of chargers where he’s going plus the amount of people going to be there .
Even he a avid user of EV cars thinks it’s not practical.