Ryder Cup 2021

[Barking_Mad]

I'd be very surprised if most, if not all pairings are not spat out of a computer based on each players game statistics.

Europe have been doing it for a few Ryder Cups.

Yes, they've been massively into the stats side of things which has helped a lot. If you look at the numbers above id imagine it's quite possible to drill down and pair people who have a good chance of playing well together in 4ball or 4somes.

I was thinking of having a go. Which stats do people think are most important for 4balls and 4somes?

 

[woofers]

Question.
What's more annoying, the USA crowds or Poulter continuously thumping his chest (assuming he's going to be picked)? ?

Tough one to call, both very annoying. On balance I’d say the USA crowds because they are a constant, on every hole, in every match, whereas with Poulter it’s just when he sinks a clutch putt.

 

[peld]

question - they were saying both Lowry and Wiesberger could knock Westwood out the automatic spots this weekend.
do you then take Westy as a pick? his form has been poor recently and doesnt seem to be playing well this week

 

[peld]

Nope.

To be honest, there's a few that are going to qualify automatically that probably shouldn't get a pick if they needed it.

agreed there. Fleetwood and Hatton wouldnt be getting picked if they needed it.

 

[Barking_Mad]

agreed there. Fleetwood and Hatton wouldnt be getting picked if they needed it.

Without good finishes this week, then Id probably agree, although im not sure the alternatives are better. However Fleetwood had a good result last week and he's playing well through 2 rounds today so he's found a little form.

 

[Barking_Mad]

They're talking of Stenson on Sky as a possibility, he's been 4th, 3rd and 15th in the last three (European Tour). Currently -4 at the PGA. But he'd missed 11 of 19 cuts previously..

 

[peld]

i think stenson is in with a shout for a pick. assuming the automatic ones go as assumed, and he then picks Poulter and Garcia, i think you have Rose, Stenson, Wiesberger, Noren, MacIntyre and even Willett all for consideration for the last pick.

 

[sev112]

I don’t think it matters, although it is fun debating, because the same circumstances seems to happene every previous Ryder Cup year too

must admit I am having difficulty finding a website which shows me the current standings, and most import atl6 how many points one gets for what position this weekend ? Anyone any help?

 

[happyhacker]

I know the Ryder Cup has a bit of a cup final effect and players form doesn't always track with how they perform in the event. But think Europe are on for a real doing this year. Team looks quite poor (current form and world rankings) coupled with the home advantage for Americans.

 

[Barking_Mad]

I know the Ryder Cup has a bit of a cup final effect and players form doesn't always track with how they perform in the event. But think Europe are on for a real doing this year. Team looks quite poor (current form and world rankings) coupled with the home advantage for Americans.

I'm inclined to agree, although I'm a little more optimistic than a couple of weeks ago thanks to Fleetwood, Rose and a couple of others finding a bit of form.

The course looks like a somewhat odd pick from a US point of view, as off the fairways don't look like your standard bomb and gouge layout, so I don't think it will be too much of an advantage.

The form of the US players, home advantage and relatively few European fans will give them a massive advantage though. That and the statistics suggest they should be strong favourites.

This last place looks like a close call. Weisberger is doing all he can to take it. Westwood, I'm not so sure about, and he's one of my favourites players. Same for Fitzpatrick and Poulter. But golf being what it is, who knows what game they'll bring..

Pairings will be massive again, and it's here we generally get it right. Rahm, Hovland, McIlroy, Casey and Garcia will need a big week.

If points were handicap shots, I'd say we should be getting at least 4 of them.

More than happy to be wrong ??

 

[Barking_Mad]

I've updated this post with the latest numbers following Harrington confirming the team, and updated rankings as a result of BMW PGA, plus stats (Wiesberger only)

 

[fundy]

I've updated this post with the latest numbers following Harrington confirming the team, and updated rankings as a result of BMW PGA, plus stats (Wiesberger only)

what time period are those stats for? the whole of this season?

 

[Barking_Mad]

what time period are those stats for? the whole of this season?

Yes, they're all season. Unfortunately it won't do the say, last 3 rounds, which in some ways would be better, but also slightly worse...

 

[Slab]

Nice insight from Brooks about his challenges of switching once a year to play team golf
In part; he's very much his own boss for most of the year on and off course. Fitting into someone else tournament schedule, even the non golf things, is quite an adjustment

(I wonder if some of the other global stars might be affected the same way, i.e they're so successful they don't usually have to make any concessions)

 

[IanM]

Nice insight from Brooks about his challenges of switching once a year to play team golf
In part; he's very much his own boss for most of the year on and off course. Fitting into someone else tournament schedule, even the non golf things, is quite an adjustment

(I wonder if some of the other global stars might be affected the same way, i.e they're so successful they don't usually have to make any concessions)

He was getting some stick on a Facebook Page over this, but I also read it as a useful insight on the differences...although not much of it was "news."

Good stats above... as ever, European Tour ( ) to to lose by 10 points... the reality is often quite different!

 

[Slab]

He was getting some stick on a Facebook Page over this, but I also read it as a useful insight on the differences...although not much of it was "news."

Good stats above... as ever, European Tour ( ) to to lose by 10 points... the reality is often quite different!

Just remembered what Horschel said at the weekend.... I know he's not (currently) in the team

He gets to the course 4 hours before tee off and he knows what he's doing for those 4 hours too.
So if a Ryder cup team meeting/post mortem or other team function were to encroach on that 4 hour period he has to change/adapt (& that 4hrs is well used/pretty crucial for him every other week of the season)

Might that affect how he plays?

We all have routines and the cream of the crop (mostly US players) are perhaps more set in their own routines and don't have to bend through the regular season as much as say Lowry might do

 

[sunshine]

He gets to the course 4 hours before tee off and he knows what he's doing for those 4 hours too.

4 hours, that's nuts!!! What does he do when he has an 8am tee time?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

4 hours, that's nuts!!! What does he do when he has an 8am tee time?

Tim Barter made that exact point to him in an interview. He still keeps to his routine .

I think he needs to take some relaxation classes

 

[Depreston]

4 hours, that's nuts!!! What does he do when he has an 8am tee time?

have you seen his pre shot routine?!?!?! the man is meticulous

 

[Imurg]

Appears Bryson has wrecked his hands practicing for the Long Drive tournament he's playing in the day after the RC...
All doesn't sound cushty in the American camp...business as usual then