Roll Ups : Entitled or Appreciative ?

[PaulMdj]

That I know of....no money for the club (other than membership fees of course).

7 tee times is less than an hour for us.....re-read my post. At my first club.....it would be an hour or more since you can't spread the groups out. Our system wouldn't work later in the day since we are starting some groups on holes 15+17. Later in the day there would be people on that part of the course.

It's a rollup....as long as we can fit them in and are members of the club they are welcome. There is slack in the system that we can probably get 8 groups out in time.

So who should get "priority". Those that like to play with their mates.....or those that like to play in large rollups? To me....there shouldn't be a priority for one or the other. The club should adjust things as well as possible to accommodate BOTH ways of playing as well as possible. Neither may be totally happy....but you shouldn't have to do away with one either.

Jeez....my opinion on how many for a rollup? That changes with every person/club. We have one rollup I play in early on a Sunday that quite often has about 6.....to me, that's not enough to have a blocked time for and I don't know why they still do it. To the others that are playing, they like it. It's the same with this whole argument about whether there should be rollups or not.....everybody has a different view and the club has to then make the best decisions possible to accommodate both. In MY opinion, there needs to be at least 10 minimum to even consider a blocked time. But I'm a big supporter of the club making decisions on what works best for them....you just can't make everybody happy and management has to make the hard decisions to make as many people as happy as possible. Each club does this differently. I've been a member at 3 different clubs.....I've liked and disliked things about each of them and they have really had a different overall feeling than the others.

There really is no right/wrong answer to whether there should be rollups or not. There are some people who really don't like them being there.....and others who love them. As I've said before numerous times..... with compromise both methods work, although the people who don't get things completely their way will be unhappy......as it is with everything else in life.

Oh....other than that tiny rollup on Sunday mornings, there are no rollups on the weekends at THIS course. My last 2 clubs there were.

It seems roll ups work really well at your place, but as you say yours is mainly mon-fri.

Our Seniors was a roll up, but is now a block booking from 8:30-10:30 Tues & Thurs, you just stick your name down on the booking system for your preffered tee time during that period.

We have comps every sat/sun 52 weeks a year, from 7:30-14:00 (seasonal variations) blocked off, anyone plus visitors can book from 1:10 onwards both days.


Like you say, each Club finds it’s own way of doing things.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Any member that is getting tee times pre booked without paying any extra for it is getting priority over others

 

[Slab]

Any member that is getting tee times pre booked without paying any extra for it is getting priority over others

And that priority may be fully justified... or not

 

[Arthur Wedge]

And that priority may be fully justified... or not

Members shouldn’t get any more priority over others when it comes to access to the course

 

[KenL]

It seems roll ups work really well at your place, but as you say yours is mainly mon-fri.

Our Seniors was a roll up, but is now a block booking from 8:30-10:30 Tues & Thurs, you just stick your name down on the booking system for your preffered tee time during that period.

We have comps every sat/sun 52 weeks a year, from 7:30-14:00 (seasonal variations) blocked off, anyone plus visitors can book from 1:10 onwards both days.


Like you say, each Club finds it’s own way of doing things.

That’s even worse! 4 hours blocked off for a section of the club.
Why do seniors always get preferential treatment?

 

[Slab]

Members shouldn’t get any more priority over others when it comes to access to the course

If you're limited to just looking at this from a members perspective you maybe need to broaden your horizon

However, from a members perspective, If they're not providing any service or financial benefit to the club and are just getting favouritism then I agree with you
If the roll up/ swindle does offer a benefit or financial gain then its all good

 

[Neilds]

Members shouldn’t get any more priority over others when it comes to access to the course

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. However, I am willing to bet that certain groups (ladies, seniors, juniors) have block bookings at some times during the week at your place .

Our winter group gets block booking of 6 slots on a Saturday morning and we are very grateful for this. We pay it back by supporting the club through the bar and other social events throughout the year. Both winter groups also book out 25 slots on a Saturday in the spring for a big charity event.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

If you're limited to just looking at this from a members perspective you maybe need to broaden your horizon

However, from a members perspective, If they're not providing any service or financial benefit to the club and are just getting favouritism then I agree with you
If the roll up/ swindle does offer a benefit or financial gain then its all good

What financial gain does the club get from giving members pre booked tee times over members that want to book them with their mates

 

[Arthur Wedge]

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. However, I am willing to bet that certain groups (ladies, seniors, juniors) have block bookings at some times during the week at your place .

Our winter group gets block booking of 6 slots on a Saturday morning and we are very grateful for this. We pay it back by supporting the club through the bar and other social events throughout the year. Both winter groups also book out 25 slots on a Saturday in the spring for a big charity event.

Only block bookings at the club for members are competitions


every group will support the club in some way including using the bar

Do you pay anything to have the tee booked

 

[Slab]

What financial gain does the club get from giving members pre booked tee times over members that want to book them with their mates

You tell me?

They may well regularly spend 200 bucks extra on F&B compared to non roll up tee times

Surely that's worth a priority booking?

 

[Neilds]

Only block bookings at the club for members are competitions


every group will support the club in some way including using the bar

Do you pay anything to have the tee booked

No, why would we? We are not the only group who gets this ‘privilege’ and as I mentioned earlier, the practice was challenged at an EGM, was voted down

 

[KenL]

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. However, I am willing to bet that certain groups (ladies, seniors, juniors) have block bookings at some times during the week at your place .

Our winter group gets block booking of 6 slots on a Saturday morning and we are very grateful for this. We pay it back by supporting the club through the bar and other social events throughout the year. Both winter groups also book out 25 slots on a Saturday in the spring for a big charity event.

Is a winter group the same as a winter clique?

 

[Burnsey]

Seems a lot of you need to open your own club, with your own rules.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

You tell me?

They may well regularly spend 200 bucks extra on F&B compared to non roll up tee times

Surely that's worth a priority booking?

So will clubs then give preference to people that spend more behind the bar ? Will that opportunity be given to everyone

 

[Arthur Wedge]

No, why would we? We are not the only group who gets this ‘privilege’ and as I mentioned earlier, the practice was challenged at an EGM, was voted down

I have no doubt it was voted down - prob by the people getting the privilege

And surely if you are getting something other members aren’t then would only be right to pay extra for that and to also allow everyone to have that privilege

 

[Neilds]

Is a winter group the same as a winter clique?

Depends on your definition. Both the groups have more members than tee slots so some miss out, not that everyone is available every week.

 

[Neilds]

I have no doubt it was voted down - prob by the people getting the privilege

And surely if you are getting something other members aren’t then would only be right to pay extra for that and to also allow everyone to have that privilege

The people in all the groups is way less than the total membership, just a small percentage.
Anyway, it works for our club so who are you to tell us it is wrong?

 

[RichA]

I totally understand that cultures vary at different clubs but, based on the swindles/roll ups at my previous and current clubs, it would put me off joining somewhere if the prime weekend morning slots were blocked out for them.
As a fully paid up member I expect the same opportunity as any other member to play golf when I choose and with whom. I don't want to have to join a club within the club in order to get a weekend morning tee time.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The people in all the groups is way less than the total membership, just a small percentage.
Anyway, it works for our club so who are you to tell us it is wrong?

It’s very fair to same that people getting preferential treatment over others despite playing the same level of fees imo is wrong and at all clubs everyone should be allowed the same level of access to the golf club

People shouldn’t be blocked off from booking a tee especially during prime slots all because they aren’t part of some group

The best thing for our club was Covid and tee times - it got rid of those “roll ups” that dominated the tee at prime time - now everyone has the same chance at every tee time

 

[Slab]

So will clubs then give preference to people that spend more behind the bar ? Will that opportunity be given to everyone

Using my example, if a roll up/ swindle is spending nearly 10k more per year compared to open tee time booking.... hell yeah

What club in their right mind is gonna say nah?