Random Irritations

[Arthur Wedge]

The fact you’re asking the questions clearly shows you don’t know. The guy at the sharp end, with far more experience, made a judgement. The body of experts, the CPS, viewed the evidence, and because of the high profile it won’t have been an inexperienced person reviewing it, and you won’t get any better unbiased evidence than vid footage, decided there isn’t a case to answer. You can twist it every which way you want, throw in whatever stat you want… 40% against means 60% for… the 60% trumps 40%.

A rhetorical question for you. If you were caught up in of an incident like that would you accept that PC or not? It a binary question with a yes or no answer.

Sorry what do you mean would I accept that PC ?

And yes the video footage is out there showing a police stamping on someone whilst they were laying on the ground

It’s that video why many will be questioning it

Surely we are just debating and discussing the incident and making our own judgments based on what we have seen

 

[bobmac]

I beg your pardon? I was engaging in discussion. Is there really any need to be quite so rude?

I don't agree.
If you had said something like ''It may have been called minimum force in the old days but it's called reasonable force now'' I would have been quite happy. But you didn't.
You inferred I was wrong, it was called reasonable force, not minimum force
I was taught minimum force. But I did concede its name may have been changed.
You then went on to tell me what it meant after I explained what it meant so it was not necessary to explain the meaning to me.
So can you explain how I was being rude please.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

You are the minority. You and others are part of the problem.

Minority ? And part of what problem

 

[PaulMdj]

Minority ? And part of what problem

Not accepting the validity of a higher authority based on the fact you saw a 10 second video.

As previously stated, the Police and CPS have carried out a thorough investigation and rather than accept their findings you want him charged in a criminal court.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Not accepting the validity of a higher authority based on the fact you saw a 10 second video.

As previously stated, the Police and CPS have carried out a thorough investigation and rather than accept their findings you want him charged in a criminal court.

When did I say I want him charged in a criminal court

 

[Billysboots]

I don't agree.
If you had said something like ''It may have been called minimum force in the old days but it's called reasonable force now'' I would have been quite happy. But you didn't.
You inferred I was wrong, it was called reasonable force, not minimum force
I was taught minimum force. But I did concede its name may have been changed.
You then went on to tell me what it meant after I explained what it meant so it was not necessary to explain the meaning to me.
So can you explain how I was being rude please.

Bob, with the greatest respect, all I did was expand upon your point, which you will see I “liked”, to explain to others here that the spectrum of police officer response to a situation ranges from mere presence to the use of lethal force. You hadn’t mentioned that, so I expanded on it to aid the wider discussion.

Rudeness is subjective. Your response “I don’t need to be told what it means ta”, in my opinion, was rude.

 

[PaulMdj]

When did I say I want him charged in a criminal court

You’ve done nothing but question the CPS’s decision not to bring criminal charges.

You’ve bad mouthed the CPS and stated there is a minority that support the Police. Stated you want to know his justification!

So what exactly is your point? Either you agree or disagree with the decision not to bring criminal charges by the CPS

No issue either way what your opinion is, but if you disagree with them I’d be 99% certain that means you’d of been happy with him being charged.

 

[bobmac]

Bob, with the greatest respect, all I did was expand upon your point, which you will see I “liked”, to explain to others here that the spectrum of police officer response to a situation ranges from mere presence to the use of lethal force. You hadn’t mentioned that, so I expanded on it to aid the wider discussion.

Rudeness is subjective. Your response “I don’t need to be told what it means ta”, in my opinion, was rude.

I'm not going to argue over two phrases that basically mean the same thing.

 

[Voyager EMH]

He stamped on the ground.
The ground took the impact.
The foot clipped his head on the way down.
Whether the officer should or should not have done this is not for me to say. On a golf forum this is merely a matter of opinion.
If he had stamped on his head, the thug would have been in a very bad way, as severe pressure would have been to both sides of his head by boot sole and solid flooring.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

You’ve done nothing but question the CPS’s decision not to bring criminal charges.

You’ve bad mouthed the CPS and stated there is a minority that support the Police. Stated you want to know his justification!

So what exactly is your point? Either you agree or disagree with the decision not to bring criminal charges by the CPS

No issue either way what your opinion is, but if you diagree with them I’d be 99% certain that means you’d of been happy with him being charged.

I wondered what his justification was for stamping on someone’s head

And yes people will question the authorities

Questioning them and not backing down is what has helped a number families find the truth in past occasions


And yes there is a mistrust when it comes to the police

Some will always not trust them due to past incidents

At the end of the day the police are human and still have inside the same human emotions that many have , there are still some that will commit the same crimes they are there to police

They are not perfect - it was a record number this year who have been suspended or sacked

 

[RichA]

Just out of interest, how many pages of repetition are required for something to go beyond being a random irritation?

 

[Voyager EMH]

Just out of interest, how many pages of repetition are required for something to go beyond being a random irritation?

42

 

[PaulMdj]

I wondered what his justification was for stamping on someone’s head

And yes people will question the authorities

Questioning them and not backing down is what has helped a number families find the truth in past occasions


And yes there is a mistrust when it comes to the police

Some will always not trust them due to past incidents

At the end of the day the police are human and still have inside the same human emotions that many have , there are still some that will commit the same crimes they are there to police

They are not perfect - it was a record number this year who have been suspended or sacked

Not one person has said the Police are perfect, not one has mentioned any other Police, all points in support have been in support of this one Officer.

As previously stated:
Personally I am pleased he is not facing criminal charges, I am pleased his is able to return to Duty. He is still under investigation by the IPOC, I hope they also clear him, but if they don’t I will accept their decision, not mistrust them, not question their integrity, just accept the decision.

 

[bobmac]

Just out of interest, how many pages of repetition are required for something to go beyond being a random irritation?

Depends on the size of the brick wall you are banging your head against

 

[RichA]

42

That's your answer to everything.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

It's so good to know that some appear to have seen every piece of video evidence and know fully what went on in the build up to the airport actions.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Just about feel human again after going out for “a few” drinks with lads from work yesterday & now I’ve got to go out with the mrs & friends & do it all over again

 

[AmandaJR]

Just about feel human again after going out for “a few” drinks with lads from work yesterday & now I’ve got to go out with the mrs & friends & do it all over again

No sympathy

 

[AmandaJR]

I'll also repeat that we are not entirely a bunch of easily randomly irritated gits. There is always debate about an irritation yet a thing that gladdens will only get a few likes!

 

[Captainron]

Just about feel human again after going out for “a few” drinks with lads from work yesterday & now I’ve got to go out with the mrs & friends & do it all over again

Best nights are “one drink” nights. End up leaving a club at 5am and heading straight for brekkie somewhere