Random Irritations

[williamalex1]

Middle managers ? ends who have little understand of how it works. The customers will be the ones that suffer whilst the workers get the flak

There are far too many big chiefs and wee chiefs in every sector, but sadly not enough indians

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Not really considerd that Stu. I was in no way knocking or demeaning the role - just saying that salary package is excessive compared to most other jobs, especially public sector roles, and that the entry process stinks. The qualifications to gain a job are not degree level from what i can see, so you could theoretically haqve young adults in their early 20s (maybe even in the teens) getting through training and earning a top salary package that would be the envy of most of the public. Compare this to what qualifications and years of work you would need to put in in other areas, paticularly Nurses, Teachers (no 35 hour week here), Police, Fire Service, Armed Forces, Bus/ Coach drivers, Civil Service etc.

“namely that tube drivers are over paid relative to society for the function they perform” - it certainly reads that way.

It’s impossible to compare other public sector roles too as the job isn’t like for like.

You think the salary is excessive, that’s fine but you must have a number at what you think the job deserves or is worth in your opinion?

Police are well paid and heavilly protected. Most firemen have 2jobs through choice and not necessity. Teachers have more holidays than Tui and don’t get me started on the civil service ?

 

[Billysboots]

“namely that tube drivers are over paid relative to society for the function they perform” - it certainly reads that way.

It’s impossible to compare other public sector roles too as the job isn’t like for like.

You think the salary is excessive, that’s fine but you must have a number at what you think the job deserves or is worth in your opinion?

Police are well paid and heavilly protected. Most firemen have 2jobs through choice and not necessity. Teachers have more holidays than Tui and don’t get me started on the civil service ?

In what way are the police “heavily protected”?

 

[PNWokingham]

“namely that tube drivers are over paid relative to society for the function they perform” - it certainly reads that way.

It’s impossible to compare other public sector roles too as the job isn’t like for like.

You think the salary is excessive, that’s fine but you must have a number at what you think the job deserves or is worth in your opinion?

Police are well paid and heavilly protected. Most firemen have 2jobs through choice and not necessity. Teachers have more holidays than Tui and don’t get me started on the civil service ?

I do not know the salary scales for all these jobs, but i do not believe they should be paid more than teachers, nurses or police.

 

[Blue in Munich]

“namely that tube drivers are over paid relative to society for the function they perform” - it certainly reads that way.

It’s impossible to compare other public sector roles too as the job isn’t like for like.

You think the salary is excessive, that’s fine but you must have a number at what you think the job deserves or is worth in your opinion?

Police are well paid and heavilly protected. Most firemen have 2jobs through choice and not necessity. Teachers have more holidays than Tui and don’t get me started on the civil service ?

https://www.met.police.uk/car/caree...lice-constable/overview/benefits-and-rewards/

"Your salary will be dependent on the entry route you join us on. Our starting salary packages start from approximately £30,000 to £31,000 (including London allowances) increasing to circa £33,000 to £34,000 on successful completion of your probationary period. Base salary increases annually and typically police constables with seven years’ service can expect to earn circa £48,000, including allowances."

But not as well paid as a tube driver Stu.

 

[SteveW86]

“namely that tube drivers are over paid relative to society for the function they perform” - it certainly reads that way.

It’s impossible to compare other public sector roles too as the job isn’t like for like.

You think the salary is excessive, that’s fine but you must have a number at what you think the job deserves or is worth in your opinion?

Police are well paid and heavilly protected. Most firemen have 2jobs through choice and not necessity. Teachers have more holidays than Tui and don’t get me started on the civil service ?

I think the whole teachers holiday one is a bit of a myth. Married to a teacher, and whilst she isn’t in school during the holidays, she spends a good chunk of time lesson planning during them. Add that to the time spent in the evenings planning and marking I would say she definitely works more hours than me.

 

[Fade and Die]

The way I see it the tube drivers Union have always been pretty militant, and they have used their unique position (they can bring London to a standstill) to their advantage and have held the weak mayors feet to the fire to get an amazing deal. Wouldn’t complain if they were my union, bloody commies that like the police should not be allowed to strike if I were a passenger.
I always thought they know it won’t last forever with technology etc so they are milking it for all they can. They will go the same way as the London dock worker.

 

[Billysboots]

I think the whole teachers holiday one is a bit of a myth. Married to a teacher, and whilst she isn’t in school during the holidays, she spends a good chunk of time lesson planning during them. Add that to the time spent in the evenings planning and marking I would say she definitely works more hours than me.

My sister in law was the same. Lesson planning, marking and so on very often meant she worked late into the evening and a hefty chunk of her so-called holidays.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I do not know the salary scales for all these jobs, but i do not believe they should be paid more than teachers, nurses or police.

If you believe their current pay, based on the links you’ve provided, is excessive, you must have a figure that you believe the job is worth.

It's a very simple question.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

https://www.met.police.uk/car/caree...lice-constable/overview/benefits-and-rewards/

"Your salary will be dependent on the entry route you join us on. Our starting salary packages start from approximately £30,000 to £31,000 (including London allowances) increasing to circa £33,000 to £34,000 on successful completion of your probationary period. Base salary increases annually and typically police constables with seven years’ service can expect to earn circa £48,000, including allowances."

But not as well paid as a tube driver Stu.

Do you need a degree to become a Bobby?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

In what way are the police “heavily protected”?

You’d know, you spent your working life in as a Bobby didn’t you?

 

[PNWokingham]

If you believe their current pay, based on the links you’ve provided, is excessive, you must have a figure that you believe the job is worth.

It's a very simple question.

not a question i was answering Stu. I said they should not be on a scale higher than teachers, police anbd nurses - i am not looking up all those but see Rich's coments on the police as something that sounds more realistic. Do you think they should be on more than these three groups?

 

[Blue in Munich]

Do you need a degree to become a Bobby?

https://www.met.police.uk/car/caree...roles/police-constable/overview/entry-routes/

There’s never been a more exciting time to join the Met. We offer multiple entry routes into policing, some of which will enable you to gain an externally recognised qualification on successful completion:

• Police Constable Degree Apprenticeship (PCDA)
• Degree Holder Entry Programme (DHEP)
• Initial Police Learning & Development Programme (IPLDP)

Whichever route you join the Met on you’ll receive the best possible training to fully equip and prepare you for the unique challenges of policing London. You’ll be employed as an officer from day one, learning alongside experienced officers on the frontline, while earning a competitive salary and, on our PCDA and DHEP rotues, working towards a fully funded degree or graduate diploma in Professional Policing Practice.

It's certainly changed from my day when a degree of common sense was the only degree you needed.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

not a question i was answering Stu. I said they should not be on a scale higher than teachers, police anbd teachers - i am not looking up all those but see Rich's coments on the police as something that sounds more realistic. Do you think they should be on more than these three groups?

I’m honestly not setting you up. I’m curious as to what you think the going rate should be for driving a train as you’ve said their excessively paid.

Ok you're not answering the question but since BIM has linked us up you’re now saying £33k is a realistic wage.
What knowledge of the job do you have to say wnether it’s a realistic salary?

I don’t have an opinion on those careers you’ve mentioned but you cant compare all of those jobs and have them on the same pay scale tbh.

What I will say though is i’d have politicians on half of what they currently get and they’d only be able to claim expense’s for essentials.

 

[williamalex1]

I’m honestly not setting you up. I’m curious as to what you think the going rate should be for driving a train as you’ve said their excessively paid.

Ok you're not answering the question but since BIM has linked us up you’re now saying £33k is a realistic wage.
What knowledge of the job do you have to say wnether it’s a realistic salary?

I don’t have an opinion on those careers you’ve mentioned but you cant compare all of those jobs and have them on the same pay scale tbh.

What I will say though is i’d have politicians on half of what they currently get and they’d only be able to claim expense’s for essentials.

I agree completely with your last sentence. The wage structure needs to be addressed.

 

[SteveW86]

I’m honestly not setting you up. I’m curious as to what you think the going rate should be for driving a train as you’ve said their excessively paid.

Ok you're not answering the question but since BIM has linked us up you’re now saying £33k is a realistic wage.
What knowledge of the job do you have to say wnether it’s a realistic salary?

I don’t have an opinion on those careers you’ve mentioned but you cant compare all of those jobs and have them on the same pay scale tbh.

What I will say though is i’d have politicians on half of what they currently get and they’d only be able to claim expense’s for essentials.

So claiming to have my garden moat cleaned would be an issue?

 

[Blue in Munich]

I’m honestly not setting you up. I’m curious as to what you think the going rate should be for driving a train as you’ve said their excessively paid.

Ok you're not answering the question but since BIM has linked us up you’re now saying £33k is a realistic wage.
What knowledge of the job do you have to say wnether it’s a realistic salary?

I don’t have an opinion on those careers you’ve mentioned but you cant compare all of those jobs and have them on the same pay scale tbh.

What I will say though is i’d have politicians on half of what they currently get and they’d only be able to claim expense’s for essentials.

Stu, on top of all the basics of the job, I was trained as an advanced driver, motorcyclist, LGV & PCV driver, advanced vehicle examiner & advanced accident investigator. From those skills alone I would say I should be capable, with the relevant training, of driving a tube train; I'm not sure from my knowledge of train driving that the same argument works in reverse.

And you get no additional bonus for earning & maintaining those qualifications, just the opportunity to get yourself into deeper more frequently.

 

[PNWokingham]

I’m honestly not setting you up. I’m curious as to what you think the going rate should be for driving a train as you’ve said their excessively paid.

Ok you're not answering the question but since BIM has linked us up you’re now saying £33k is a realistic wage.
What knowledge of the job do you have to say wnether it’s a realistic salary?

I don’t have an opinion on those careers you’ve mentioned but you cant compare all of those jobs and have them on the same pay scale tbh.

What I will say though is i’d have politicians on half of what they currently get and they’d only be able to claim expense’s for essentials.

i cannot answer properly without lots of research on all other roles mentioned butfrom what i can see, tube drivers do not need degrees and complete a solid training of around 6 months. This is a lower education standard than the other roles mentioned. As you want me to put a figure on it i would say qualified tube drivers 30k, rising to circa 50k after 8-10 years.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Stu, on top of all the basics of the job, I was trained as an advanced driver, motorcyclist, LGV & PCV driver, advanced vehicle examiner & advanced accident investigator. From those skills alone I would say I should be capable, with the relevant training, of driving a tube train; I'm not sure from my knowledge of train driving that the same argument works in reverse.

And you get no additional bonus for earning & maintaining those qualifications, just the opportunity to get yourself into deeper more frequently.

You've benefitted from the job to better yourself, that's great.

And rightly so you shouldnt be paid more for earning&maintaining those quali's.

How much would those qualifications set you back if you were working in a garage for example?

 

[ColchesterFC]

I’m honestly not setting you up. I’m curious as to what you think the going rate should be for driving a train as you’ve said their excessively paid.

Ok you're not answering the question but since BIM has linked us up you’re now saying £33k is a realistic wage.
What knowledge of the job do you have to say wnether it’s a realistic salary?

I don’t have an opinion on those careers you’ve mentioned but you cant compare all of those jobs and have them on the same pay scale tbh.

What I will say though is i’d have politicians on half of what they currently get and they’d only be able to claim expense’s for essentials.

I'd go the opposite route and double their salary but not let them claim the expenses. Build a new parliament building in Birmingham with a connected hotel so none of them need second homes. If you want to become an MP you know that you'll have to travel to Birmingham to carry out your role so it's up to you to get yourself there. While you're there your accommodation is provided for you but you're paying for your own meals as you'd have to pay for them if you were at home.