Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
There's a word I'd like to use in the next sentence but I'd get into trouble for it...
Why is everyone so. impatient ????
Why is everyone so. impatient ????
Random Irritations
- Thread starter Blue in Munich
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SaintHacker
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Although its quite amusing when someone presses it by accident and calls someone else on the list a **** ??
PNWokingham
Journeyman Pro
Maybe the unionised over-paid staff have taken all the money and thus limited investment over the years. Tube drivers seem the most overpaid group of workers in the country - £59k basic and a 5k pay rise from this month, so now £64k per year for a 35-hour week - plus 43 days holiday, a massively generous pension and paid overtime. And it is very difficult for anyone to get a job who is not friends or family. The benefits and perks and overtime, make them very overpaid for the skill levels needed. Compare to bus drivers, teachers, nurses, fireman, paramedics and many others, tube drivers have a massively lucrative deal
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...n-busting-deal-sadiq-khan-unions-b989920.html
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...ice-sadiq-khan-uk-cost-of-living-b990478.html
https://www.mylondon.news/lifestyle/travel/incredible-salaries-earned-london-underground-21829201
"Following a Freedom of Information (FOI) request made by MyLondon to Transport for London in early 2021, the annual wage of a full-time Tube driver was revealed as £56,496. This was based on the financial year from April 1, 2019, to March 31, 2020, with 3,271 drivers said to earn this amount, not including bonuses. Perks of the job include 43 days of holiday a year, free annual Tube pass for you and your other half and retirement at 60 with a full pension or on a reduced pension at 50.
It is thought that the average salary for a London bus driver is somewhere between £27,000 and £31,000 based on job websites Indeed, Adunza and Glassdoor, which all collate information on the UK's work sectors annual wages. TfL does not confirm wage allowances of travel staff, however, Go Ahead which is the largest bus company in the capital (operating for TfL) advertise positions for £26,000 per year for drivers starting at an entry grade and rising to over £31,000 per year. "
https://www.cityam.com/tube-driver-salaries-break-100000-barrier-despite-train/
Foxholer
Blackballed
I thought 'political' posts were banned!
PNWokingham
Journeyman Pro
I thought 'political' posts were banned!
well don't comment on politics then. this random irritation was about excess pay not Boris' bloomers!
SteveW86
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I chose the wrong career
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
Oh that one I can happily live with; this one was a list of outstanding responses to queries and someone going back to say they’d done theirs and copying everyone in. In the words of the old country music song, “Here’s a quarter, call someone who cares.”
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fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
Sales people who flat out refuse to listen!!!
Was quoted over 2 and a half grand for a quadrant shower enclosure this afternoon having told them that the one for a grand was too expensive lol
Was quoted over 2 and a half grand for a quadrant shower enclosure this afternoon having told them that the one for a grand was too expensive lol
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Please don't post things about topics you couldn't possibly understand ..
37 days leave for one so that post is complete rubbish
Drivers are well paid, compared to other train operators they are actually underpaid
Yes all those other professionals should be paid more
This isn't a race to the bottom
And Blame criminal underinvestment from all forms of government and attacks on pay and conditions as to why those other professionals don't get well paid
Few other points drivers can't do overtime so only stations and service control get overtime
Don't need to know anyone to get on, just apply when the job comes out. Night tube the only way ATM .. but very popular per position
Just relaunched the apprenticeship directly into my grade which is a 2 year apprenticeship but no guarantee at the end in a 70% failure rate job
Bus drivers should be paid more but a tube drivers responsibility is a little bit higher
When the trains fail they have to talk to us and get their trains moving. Detraining up to 1000 customers into a tube tunnel during an incident and assisting them to a station up to a mile away
My colleague on stations works 10 weekends out of 13 on his roster. Is nights almost every 3 weeks due to leave covers .
It's not all the picture your trying to paint
Oh and the payrise .. agreed pre covid 4 year deal
RPI plus 0.2%
Whilst it's a very good deal it's only because inflation has gone crazy.
Blue in Munich
Crocked Professional Yeti Impersonator
There may be some valid points in that response but the condescending first paragraph meant I didn’t bother reading any further.
Golfmmad
Tour Winner
I feel your pain. I can't stand my socks slipping down, especially when playing golf. The answer, "mysocks", they're extra long and ideal for winter. Not sure for summer wear though.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Maybe the pure attack from a complete troll was the reason for first paragraph
Standard.
PNWokingham
Journeyman Pro
time to wind your neck in. Not sure I can be bothered to go over your points ATM. But the random irritation was mine, and several others agreed - namely that tube drivers are over paid relative to society for the function they perform. This was not a personal attack on you, like your response was on me. I was merely quoting facts that were in all the sources I quoted and many others. As to 37 or 43 days holiday, we can only use what we have and that was quoted in several sources, so I guess they are all wrong! As to overtime, again, that was quoted and the only explanation I can think for the 100k earners
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Contracted 37 days holiday a year . 8 of which are in lieu for bank holidays as you only get them off if you are rostered not to work or take leave.
24/7 working 364 days a year (one days leave used for Xmas day as we are closed)
So of the 37 days 29 days are "normal" holiday .. 5.6 weeks a year is the minimum paid leave in the UK so that's what 1-2 days above normal so whilst bank holidays arent included for most it's 9 days more than the minimum ..
The 100k "club" is mainly because the massive short staff in which we have to do overtime to keep the line open for the public to get to work.
A few of my colleagues reached it. Due to covid isolations, 6 vacancies on a roster and 1 member of staff having a brain operation.
I think if anyone needs to wind their neck in personally it's you.
As per usual you stick your size 10s in where nobody wanted and go but oh I got a few likes so it's fine
Feel free to stick your opinions because they are poorly researched and based on pure bile like the rest of your posting history.
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Middle managers ? ends who have little understand of how it works. The customers will be the ones that suffer whilst the workers get the flak
drdel
Tour Rookie
If its such a bum rap you could change jobs. Pay comes down to affordability and whether people will do the job for the package on offer.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Never said it was a bad job, just not as easy as people claim.
I love my job, I've proudly worked for my company for 19 years and will continue until 65 unless I can afford to go sooner but I enjoy going to work and I enjoy putting the service back together so the public can get to work.
PNWokingham
Journeyman Pro
I added a few links to back up my views that tube drivers are overpaid relative to pther professions in the UK, driven by its unionised nature and that the selection process of only selecting existing TFL employees for new full-time roles is a sham and something that is not allowed in other professions/ companies. It was the package of salary and benefits that i said was excessive - and many agreed. Most people would be over the moon to be lucky enough to get one of these jobs, but they will only go to the chosen friends and family.
You get really defensive and aggressive as per normal. If the holidays is wrong it is pocket change and does not change the point i was making. However - an easy mistake to make, as alll of the sources below quote the same thing and not easy to get facts from TFL as the rest of Joe public are not able to apply so cannot find the official job benefits package!
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/tube-driver-salary-holidays-working-conditions-a3982211.html
Drivers will typically work a 36-hour working week and have 43 days annual leave, including bank holidays.
https://www.mylondon.news/lifestyle/travel/incredible-salaries-earned-london-underground-21829201
Perks of the job include 43 days of holiday a year, free annual Tube pass for you and your other half and retirement at 60 with a full pension or on a reduced pension at 50.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7422750/tube-drivers-paid-london-underground-salary/
Drivers usually work 36-hour weeks and have 43 days of annual leave, including bank holidays.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/how-you-become-tube-driver-6205254
Oh, and you also get 43 days of holiday a year and a 36-hour week
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...pply-jobs-haven-t-advertised-seven-years.html
£50,000 and 43 days holiday for being a tube driver but YOU can't apply because jobs haven't been advertised for seven years
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33459515
They typically work a 36-hour week and get 43 days of leave every year, including bank holidays. Six of the days off are compensation for working 36, rather than 35, hours a week throughout the year.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1519236/tube-tfl-drivers-operators-salary-benefits-strike
Perks include 43 days of holiday a year, a free annual Tube pass for both the driver and partner, and retirement at 60 on a full pension.
https://faq-all.com/en/Q&A/page=26fccd69c1c5d525699b9cbd8559be38#s0
Drivers usually work 36-hour weeks and have 43 days of annual leave, including bank holidays.
https://www.bergaag.com/how-much-are-london-underground-drivers-paid.html
Drivers usually work 36-hour weeks and have 43 days of annual leave, including bank holidays. It’s actually very hard to become a Tube driver. Due to a deal with the unions, members of the public haven’t been able to apply to directly become a Tube driver since 2008. As candidates are recruited internally, the best approach is to get your foot in the door and apply to become a customer service assistant.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/06/tube-strike-faq-myths-busted-and-questions-answered
Tube workers have decent salaries, eight-hour days and up to 52 days’ paid holiday because they are strongly unionised. The unions would say that if you envy those working conditions, you should join a union.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...3-days-holiday-a-year-Boris-Johnson-says.html
Tube drivers are paid £49,673 a year for a typical 36 hour week, and enjoy 43 days holiday a year.
https://londonlovesbusiness.com/its...-look-at-the-massive-salaries-of-tfl-workers/
According to TfL, the salary for a Tube driver is £49,673, with 43 days annual leave
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/05/tube-strike-august-2015_n_7938326.html
The starting salary for drivers on the Tube is £49,673 a year and they receive 43 days of annual leave, compared with 52 days of leave for other London Underground staff.
https://money.cnn.com/2015/08/04/news/london-underground-tube-strike-doctor/index.html
It takes as little as three months to secure an underground drivers license. Drivers typically work 36 hours a week, according to Transport for London, and earn £49,673 ($77,600). Holiday entitlements are generous, at 43 days per year. Benefits include free London travel for the employee and one other, and a possible £500 annual bonus.
https://www.wikihow.com/Become-a-Tube-Driver
Driving a train car for the underground transit system of Transport for London (TfL) sounds like a dream job for many. Not only do the salaries for train operators start at around £50,000, but if you were to get this position, you'd also get to look forward to 43 days of vacation every year and a shorter than average work week.[1] However, those who are seriously interested should prepare for an uphill battle. Becoming a train operator is no easy task.
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Genuine Q slasher, How much do you think they’re worth?
PNWokingham
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Not really considerd that Stu. I was in no way knocking or demeaning the role - just saying that salary package is excessive compared to most other jobs, especially public sector roles, and that the entry process stinks. The qualifications to gain a job are not degree level from what i can see, so you could theoretically haqve young adults in their early 20s (maybe even in the teens) getting through training and earning a top salary package that would be the envy of most of the public. Compare this to what qualifications and years of work you would need to put in in other areas, paticularly Nurses, Teachers (no 35 hour week here), Police, Fire Service, Armed Forces, Bus/ Coach drivers, Civil Service etc.
