Jacko_G
Blackballed
Which to me sums up the whole argument. There is no right or wrong way. Your preference is what you state, I prefer the rake to be left outside the bunker and the OP is clearly convinced his way is "correct".
Rake Placement in Bunker - Reader - I pulled up a FC
- Thread starter SwingsitlikeHogan
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Which to me sums up the whole argument. There is no right or wrong way. Your preference is what you state, I prefer the rake to be left outside the bunker and the OP is clearly convinced his way is "correct".
chrisd
Major Champion
Actually I am with you and prefer the rake completely outside the bunker and quite like the clubs who have holders where the rake stands upright as there's much less chance of hitting them
upsidedown
Tour Winner
Having had this discussion last year we now have stands for them on the side of the bunker least likely to interfere with play , but some members insist on moving the stands and/or leaving the rakes in the bunkers .
As for the GK's we've instructed them to mow up to the stand then move them into the freshly mown area thus reducing lost mowing time .
Orikoru
Tour Winner
This is what I do. On the far side of the bunker (so it doesn't collect any golf balls rolling in the front), stand it up against the edge with the rake head in the sand, handle sticking out.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
I was going to comment on this as well. The piece in italics doesn't read very well and I can easily see how the person could see the conversation as condescending if delivered in this manner and how it could easily cause offence/embarrassment even though it was clearly well meant.
If a club has specific rules then as a member you need to abide by those. If not, there are R&A guidelines as outlined already and it seems logical to follow these. However I see it week in week out at my club (and others when we play matches) where the bunker is raked (some better than others but the quality of raking is a whole different can of worms) and the rake simply put in the side of a bunker with no thought given for the position and potential impact on other players. I do think though, there should be more done by more clubs to try and get a unified position for rakes but you know full well its a losing battle as many members seem to think they're above being told how to behave on the course
rksquire
Head Pro
I hit a rake (left outside the bunker) shaft 2 weeks ago and the ball shot off to the right. Of course I was well right of the green to be begin with so it's really just bad luck. I actually prefer the rake left out (aligned in the direction of play) which seems to be a minority view - my thinking is coming to rest against the rake outside the bunker, it's much easier to remove the rake without the ball moving; inside the bunker this is harder - most of our bunkers are cupped / saucer shaped so rolling in means rolling down or hitting the furthest face means rolling down - a rake would stop both; centrally placed rakes would mean throwing it in. But as I said I'm in a minority, my PPs say it should be placed in the bunker and they're older & wiser than me.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
If a club has a clear code for the placement of rakes in bunkers then any player should abide by this!
Anything else is wrong imo.
When in Rome.
Anything else is wrong imo.
When in Rome.
robinthehood
Hacker
What does it matter if the ball moves when you move the rake ?
rksquire
Head Pro
Probably my ignorance of the rules to be honest - I thought outside the bunker, if the ball moved it could be replaced without penalty; inside (if moving the rake the ball roles closer to the hole), if it was on the slope it needs to be placed where it come to rest - ie on the slope into the bunker or NPR within the bunker no closer to the hole - couldn't do this on a downward slope so would have to incur a stroke / distance penalty?
robinthehood
Hacker
Nah no pen, but it is a pain in the arse
Ah you mean if there is no where to put it no nearer the hole without it moving ?
Yeah tough luck I suppose. All the more reason to leave it outside
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TheJezster
Tour Rookie
Seems to be a lot of divided opinion. I have no opinion on a rake placement so cant really comment other than to say the rake will be where it was last left. If its not next to where I went in I might be slightly irked, but I'll just throw it in after using it nearby where I used it. I think I pretty much just put the head in, and leave the end out.
Would I have moved the rake if you'd asked me? Probably, but the way you said it, although friendly, I would have laughed off and said something like "yea, he or she will have a bit of trouble getting out" and walked on. If you had asked me to move it, I probably would have.
Seems every course and every member has a different idea on how to leave a rake, so you're pretty much dammed if you do, dammed if you don't!
Would I have moved the rake if you'd asked me? Probably, but the way you said it, although friendly, I would have laughed off and said something like "yea, he or she will have a bit of trouble getting out" and walked on. If you had asked me to move it, I probably would have.
Seems every course and every member has a different idea on how to leave a rake, so you're pretty much dammed if you do, dammed if you don't!
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
...and we are rebuilding every bunker on the course with revetted faces. Previously our bunkers were parkland-style bunkers and as you say rake placement was not quite so critical - but when your ball can roll into a bunker and drop almost straight down at least 12" then now it really does matter.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
I know there was a "fad" a few years ago and a lot of courses were putting little stands on their rakes so unless the ball hit the head or very top there as a chance it would roll underneath either in the bunker or outside depending on where it was left. I don't seem to see that anymore. Does/did it make any difference?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Our bunkers are not wide front to back - and so it is quite easy to put the rake into the centre of the bunker without having to hurl it with any great force and so create a large rut. Besides - as the ball would at worse by against the rake it wouldn't be that affected by any surface disturbance of the sand caused by the rake being thrown in.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Yes I know what you say - but I did not want to be telling my FC to move the rake into the correct position - he knows where he should have put it and so would know exactly why I was saying what I was saying (with a smile on my face
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SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I would have said something like 'not funny' and would have gone and moved it myself. Depending upon what you might have said to me and how you said it, I just might even have reported the incident. Where the rake had been placed could have cost a following player 2 shots (if he had chosen the new bunker drop option). We were playing in the club's most prestigious open competition and if that player had been a visitor (or indeed a member) up there with a chance of coming in the frame he could very rightly have been very miffed.
Marshy77
Journeyman Pro
and people still wonder why more people aren't playing the game!!
Wolf
Well-known member
Completely agree to be honest especially reading back through varying replies..
Got to admit if someone reported me to the committee for the misplacement of a rake, I'd think they were a complete knob.
It's just a game it isn't the end of the world if it's not in the exact spot
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Better yet, maybe we should all do each other a favour and lay them outside the bunkers across the front to stop people rolling in?
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
I think you are being way too polite. I'd be causing merry hell. It's not the end of the world and lets be honest, irrespective of the OP saying it was their big event of the year, how many times a season do we actually hit a rake or find the rake impeding the ball in a bunker? I'd rather worry about repairing pitch marks, actually raking bunkers and pace of play
