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Rake Placement in Bunker - Reader - I pulled up a FC

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And so - I arrived Saturday morning for 1st round of Club Champs - and nothing had been done about the need for a LR. I was in the last group off.

I explained my concern and how I was conflicted about taking advantage of my understanding when I pretty much knew that no other player would know. Suggestion was made that a notice on a new LR declaring the bunker surrounds as Integral Objects be put up in the Pro Shop there and then if it made me happy; and I said that that would suit me fine.

As it happens over 36 holes I think I only had one instance where I might have used it - on the first hole of the 36 I played :)

But in agreeing to the LR being put up - whether or not that was done in accordance with how LRs are set out - it did for me, as in my head it stopped me thinking about or actually taking advantage of the free relief otherwise available.

Was that a daft thing for me to do ? You might well think so - but for me - it got rid of my concerns and as far as I was concerned I was simply competing in the spirit of the game.

I played rubbish in any case...
 
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Had all the others started?

Yes - other than my two playing companions.

I'm guessing that the posting of the LR after 147 players ahead of my three ball had started will have made the LR invalid for the competition (in fact it was invalid if posted after the 1st player teed off). I knew that - but in myself I felt better - if only for me - as I knew it should have been there :)

I didn't want to be in a position to take advantage of a ruling that not one other player in the comp would have known about. For me - that would have been wrong.
 

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Yes - other than my two playing companions.

I'm guessing that the posting of the LR after 147 players ahead of my three ball had started will have made the LR invalid for the competition (in fact it was invalid if posted after the 1st player teed off). I knew that - but in myself I felt better - if only for me - as I knew it should have been there :)

I didn't want to be in a position to take advantage of a ruling that not one other player in the comp would have known about. For me - that would have been wrong.
How do you know other players were not aware of a drop from the bunker faces?
I think you would be surprised how many players are on top of the rules, imo of course.
But you did what you thought was right and that’s good,
 

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So you finished with a warm glow regardless of your score :D

I finished miserable as sin!

But I started content as I didn't have the worry about what I'd do if the LR was not in place and I ended up in a new bunker with my swing impeded. Whether officially it was or not - as far as I was concerned it was.
 

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How do you know other players were not aware of a drop from the bunker faces?
I think you would be surprised how many players are on top of the rules, imo of course.
But you did what you thought was right and that’s good,

Of course I don't know that for sure, but as none of: any member I have spoken with; the Club Manager, the Golf Manager; the three assistant pros; a senior competition pro I know at the club; an ex-chairman; and two Committee Members I spoke with, had heard of the ruling - then I assume no member had asked for clarification and I was as sure as I could be.
 

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You can't take advantage of a ruling that's not in place even if you know it may be put in place in the future. It's a bit like asking for a penalty decision to be reviewed by VAR last season even though it wasn't in place until this season.
 

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You can't take advantage of a ruling that's not in place even if you know it may be put in place in the future. It's a bit like asking for a penalty decision to be reviewed by VAR last season even though it wasn't in place until this season.

The issue was in fact the opposite.

The LR that needs to be in place (and wasn't) would prevent me from taking free relief.

I did not feel at all comfortable knowing that I could take free relief, given I suspected that no other player would have known of the free relief available. I know the LR was posted too late for it actually to be valid for the competition - but in my head I made it valid for me.

Yes I know that that probably sounds daft as I was potentially doing myself out of some shot-saving free relief in our main comp of the year - Club Champs...
 

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The issue was in fact the opposite.

The LR that needs to be in place (and wasn't) would prevent me from taking free relief.

I did not feel at all comfortable knowing that I could take free relief, given I suspected that no other player would have known of the free relief available. I know the LR was posted too late for it actually to be valid for the competition - but in my head I made it valid for me.

Yes I know that that probably sounds daft as I was potentially doing myself out of some shot-saving free relief in our main comp of the year - Club Champs...

I meant asking for a rule that wasn't in place rather giving you an advantage or not.
 

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The issue was in fact the opposite.

The LR that needs to be in place (and wasn't) would prevent me from taking free relief.

I did not feel at all comfortable knowing that I could take free relief, given I suspected that no other player would have known of the free relief available. I know the LR was posted too late for it actually to be valid for the competition - but in my head I made it valid for me.

Yes I know that that probably sounds daft as I was potentially doing myself out of some shot-saving free relief in our main comp of the year - Club Champs...
You sound like you're after a pat on the back. If the rule was a waste of time , just don't take relief if you feel so strongly about it.
 

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I'm thinking similar. Provided there's no conflict between them, play by the rules and your principles. Relief may ge permissible but no-one's making you take it.

My concern was simply that I knew that I would be conflicted if I found myself in a position where it would have mattered to me - and it would have bothered me every time I played an approach to a green with one of more of our new bunkers, or worse found myself in one of the bunkers with restricted swing. I decided to avoid such concerns by playing as if the LR was in place (even though it wasn't) - and that was helped by the pro sticking a notice up for me :)

I'm not looking for any plaudits - I rather more expected to be told I was daft. But there you go.
 

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My concern was simply that I knew that I would be conflicted if I found myself in a position where it would have mattered to me - and it would have bothered me every time I played an approach to a green with one of more of our new bunkers, or worse found myself in one of the bunkers with restricted swing. I decided to avoid such concerns by playing as if the LR was in place (even though it wasn't) - and that was helped by the pro sticking a notice up for me :)

I'm not looking for any plaudits - I rather more expected to be told I was daft. But there you go.
Your daft!!!
 

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Not only daft but bizarre, then. Creating your own conflict where none exists. If they do bring in the LR, you'll have to think hard to create a new personal dilemma while the rest of us just get on with things:)
 

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Saw this at a course near me yesterday

Thought was brilliant .. no question of where to put the rake

I’ve played a few courses with rakes places like this it’s a very good idea, it also helps if playing a new course that you can see where the bunkers are.
 

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I’ve played a few courses with rakes places like this it’s a very good idea, it also helps if playing a new course that you can see where the bunkers are.

I thought was brilliant, haven’t played there for a year and these were new since then

Both me and my PP Commented how good an idea it was
 
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