Panic buying fuel

[Lord Tyrion]

Now I never knew that - but now I do. Interesting. Perhaps the same for other EU hauliers then. I just thought that if they werent here then what was not coming. But not the case.

They are all still here, plenty of business for them. Hauliers work in regions through the day, trunk distance to Central depots through the night where things are sorted and shipped out again. The UK stuff largely stops at the weekend. There will be some exceptions but that is loosely how it goes.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Old couple in front of me when I was getting diesel for the wife got a grand total of £5.50 worth of fuel ?‍

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Old couple in front of me when I was getting diesel for the wife got a grand total of £5.50 worth of fuel ?‍

I bet the voted for brexit too??

You should've let their tyres down, that'll learn them?

 

[larmen]

Old couple in front of me when I was getting diesel for the wife got a grand total of £5.50 worth of fuel ?‍

That’s not even 2 litres in Chiswick

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That’s not even 2 litres in Chiswick

Sorry it’s £8.79 and it’s 5.50 litres

 

[backwoodsman]

My Daughter just informed me that a petrol station on the Chiswick high road roundabout has petrol at £2.93 a litre ?

Fair enough. If anyone is stupid enough to pay that sort of price, then good luck to the petrol station is what I say.??

 

[bobmac]

There was no shortage of drivers when the demand for fuel was normal, they were coping just fine.
However the normal amount of drivers are struggling to cope with the huge increase in demand.

You don't have to ask why there's a shortage of drivers, you only have to ask why there was/is a massive increase in demand.
To find that out you only have to turn on your tv/radio.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

There was no shortage of drivers when the demand for fuel was normal, they were coping just fine.
However the normal amount of drivers are struggling to cope with the huge increase in demand.

You don't have to ask why there's a shortage of drivers, you only have to ask why there was/is a massive increase in demand.
To find that out you only have to turn on your tv/radio.

What I hear is that with fuel supply (and supply of much else) we were walking a tightrope, with many drivers having left and continuing to leave the industry (and the UK) and not enough replacing them…and so it didn’t take much of a change in the demand profile for the JIT supply chain to fall off the tightrope. That a small change triggered a more significant change simply hastened and worsened the fall. But as posted previously many things were contributing to the JIT supply chain walking a tightrope.

https://forums.golfmonthly.com/threads/panic-buying-fuel.110054/post-2406875

 

[Old Skier]

Full tank and just waiting to see if the rain will ease before we drag the wobble box down to Cornwall ??

Stacks of fuel down here

 

[Old Skier]

One of my memories of my time working at the FVRDE/MVEE was when they were developing the Scorpion a couple of guys took an unequipped early version out for a spin and were rumoured to have got more than 60MPH out of it.

Went in one around the Nurburgring on a publicity shoot in the 70,s, those that knew could get it above 60 but not wise.

 

[Old Skier]

Travelling down the M3 & 303 west last night it was obvious that once you hit Wiltshire there was no problems with getting fuel.

Seems it’s a London and SE problem, an area which has more public transport and trains available than anywhere else. Some people appear happier driving around closed petrol stations than getting on a bus.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Travelling down the M3 & 303 west last night it was obvious that once you hit Wiltshire there was no problems with getting fuel.

Seems it’s a London and SE problem, an area which has more public transport and trains available than anywhere else. Some people appear happier driving around closed petrol stations than getting on a bus.

I saw the BBC news yesterday about London and south east being empty on fuel.... Well I live in South East and was driving around West Kent and East Sussex yesterday and saw no evidence of closed garages. Yes the occasional one had queues but largely it looked back to normal..... so I'm not sure where they're getting their information from to report it in the fashion that they have.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I saw the BBC news yesterday about London and south east being empty on fuel.... Well I live in South East and was driving around West Kent and East Sussex yesterday and saw no evidence of closed garages. Yes the occasional one had queues but largely it looked back to normal..... so I'm not sure where they're getting their information from to report it in the fashion that they have.

Not largely back to normal yet in Kent, some stations getting some supplies, but those that do have queues and reduced pump numbers open.
It's going to be a while before things retrun to normal and the gloating "Mines electric" stops.

 

[bobmac]

What I hear is that with fuel supply (and supply of much else) we were walking a tightrope, with many drivers having left and continuing to leave the industry (and the UK) and not enough replacing them…and so it didn’t take much of a change in the demand profile for the JIT supply chain to fall off the tightrope. That a small change triggered a more significant change simply hastened and worsened the fall. But as posted previously many things were contributing to the JIT supply chain walking a tightrope.

https://forums.golfmonthly.com/threads/panic-buying-fuel.110054/post-2406875

Dress it up any way you want, the media told the public there was going to be a shortage of petrol/diesel and sat back and watched the public do the rest.
Anything that might be conceived as possibly bad news is jumped on and sensationalised by the headline hunting media to fill their pages because as we all know, good news isn't news.

I saw the BBC news yesterday about London and south east being empty on fuel.... Well I live in South East and was driving around West Kent and East Sussex yesterday and saw no evidence of closed garages.

As long as the media keeps telling people there is no fuel, the panic will continue.

 

[Billysboots]

As long as the media keeps telling people there is no fuel, the panic will continue.

Couldn’t agree more, and I would add social media to the list. We have two garages in my local town, and every time they get a delivery you can guarantee some idiot will proudly take to social media, eager to be the first one to spread the word and play the Good Samaritan.

The result? The pumps run dry again within hours.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

What I hear is that with fuel supply (and supply of much else) we were walking a tightrope, with many drivers having left and continuing to leave the industry (and the UK) and not enough replacing them…and so it didn’t take much of a change in the demand profile for the JIT supply chain to fall off the tightrope. That a small change triggered a more significant change simply hastened and worsened the fall. But as posted previously many things were contributing to the JIT supply chain walking a tightrope.

https://forums.golfmonthly.com/threads/panic-buying-fuel.110054/post-2406875

According to the ONS fewer than 10,000 EU nationals who were HGV drivers have left the country post-Brexit. And they did not all depart at the same time.

If we are to believe that there is a shortfall of 100,000 drivers and if the aforesaid 10,000 were all to return the effect would be minimal.

This shortage of qualified drivers has been forecast by some for a number of years now but the industry, in general, has appeared to adopt an ostrich like position.

Existing margins are tight for transport so if wages are to be increased to attract more entrants costs for transport must increase leading to increased prices for the consumer.

(Mod note, last paragraph removed, political)

 

[SocketRocket]

According to the ONS fewer than 10,000 EU nationals who were HGV drivers have left the car post-Brexit. And they did not all depart at the same time.

If we are to believe that there is a shortfall of 100,000 drivers and if the aforesaid 10,000 were all to return the effect would be minimal.

This shortage of qualified drivers has been forecast by some for a number of years now but the industry, in general, has appeared to adopt an ostrich like position.

Existing margins are tight for transport so if wages are to be increased to attract more entrants costs for transport must increase leading to increased prices for the consumer.

Spot on. We have been hearing workers in many industries complaining about their wages and conditions being undercut by immigrant labour for decades and if they didn't like it they were met with 'If you don't like it then there are plenty more who will do the job for less'.

Immigrants may have 'Gone back home' but so have the Chickens gone back home to roost.

 

[Fade and Die]

Couldn’t agree more, and I would add social media to the list. We have two garages in my local town, and every time they get a delivery you can guarantee some idiot will proudly take to social media, eager to be the first one to spread the word and play the Good Samaritan.

The result? The pumps run dry again within hours.

In the words of Tony Benn….
“But if there is hope, it lies in ordinary working people. When you put it in words it sounds reasonable: it is when you look at the human beings passing you on the pavement that it becomes an act of faith”

He was talking about socialism but I think it applies here!

 

[IanM]

All true, but when you look at the number of uk national retiring from or leaving the industry and 18 months of virtually training and testing... you get a shortage!

No sensationalist reporting and you get no shortage

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Threads getting political again, despite warnings
Posts will be removed, perps infracted and the thread closed if it continues