louise_a
Money List Winner
yes, that's the idea
New women's tees
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2blue
Journeyman Pro
That is most odd... though nothing much surprises me these days in golf Clubs. Very, very strange places. It's just the golf that saves them!!
rulie
Head Pro
Over my years at clubs I've learned not to make many suggestions to the Ladies Club. They are just fine and will do things the way they want. (no insults intended here, but some respect)
inc0gnito
Assistant Pro
Despite the bias toward men, women have egos too and I’m sure the reluctance to have more forward tees is partly down to a perceived sign of weakness if they were to.
I suggest making optional new forward tee boxes that are lined with leopard print, strawberry daiquiri drinking fountain, and golf ball cleaner with added glitter.
If that doesn’t work I don’t know what will.
I suggest making optional new forward tee boxes that are lined with leopard print, strawberry daiquiri drinking fountain, and golf ball cleaner with added glitter.
If that doesn’t work I don’t know what will.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Curious as to why the matter would even require a 'vote' surely the club just run a comp with the CoC saying that tee is optional between Red/Blue and hey bisto you've got your trial
Also by any change did those objecting state what their objection was based on?
louise_a
Money List Winner
Our current ladies committee seem to put everything to a Whatsapp poll.
I think the main reason is that they don't realise how a multi tee competition works
Patster1969
Assistant Pro
My club has had the tees all re-evaluated and done away with the white/yellow/red/green/blue tee colours. They have instead 're-coloured' them to navy/silver/black/gold to correspond with the club colours, which has probably removed the possible gender bias of the old colour schemes.
Having not played with any of the lady members since the change, not sure how much impact this has made to them in terms of exclusivity/tee bias though but I know that a few clubs are doing this/already done this
Having not played with any of the lady members since the change, not sure how much impact this has made to them in terms of exclusivity/tee bias though but I know that a few clubs are doing this/already done this
nickjdavis
Head Pro
Possibly the trouble with running a trial where it is optional as to which set of tees are used is that folks will opt for the tees they usually play off anyway.
Maybe an idea could be to introduce a fun competition where each hole is alternately played from a different tee....so hole 1 off the longest tee, 2 off the shortest, 3 of the middle, 4 off the longest etc etc....or simply three sixes each played from a different set of tees.
It might open some of the golfers eyes to the difference and soften some attitudes to playing off the short tees.
We do something similar at our club where we have a fun team comp where ladies will alternate between reds and yellows which have been rated for them and the men swap between whites, yellows and reds. Theres a bit of maths needed doing in order to work out each individuals handicap and it might not always be perfect, but at the end of the day it is just a fun competition.
sunshine
Well-known member
Maybe there is a majority who like the challenge of a longer course? Otherwise they might as well join a pitch and putt.
Looking at the previous pages on this thread, a group of people seem to be advocating for making golf easier by shortening the course. But golf already has short courses and long courses. I don't see the point in someone joining a golf club with a 7500 yard championship course then complaining about it being too long.
Backache
Assistant Pro
People sometimes join a golf course for social reasons or as in the case of my course because it is far and away the most convenient in proximity.
The original point of the thread though was in response to a GM article that was making the point that collectively forward tees, sometimes but not always designated as womens tees are far longer in proportion to how far women hit the ball than most mens tees.
In no way am I suggesting that tees cannot be multisex however as on my own course which is not long for men there are many women who struggle to hit virtually any of the par 4's in regulation and maybe there should be some encouragement to have measured tees further forward to allow some women a bit more enjoyment.
Our rearmost tees are about 6000 yds and our foremost tees are slightly under 5500 yds which is a long course for a lot of women golfers.
sunshine
Well-known member
Just because you can't reach the green in regulation it doesn't mean golf is not enjoyable. Those people (male or female) could go and play a short course or pitch and putt if they want to reach GIR.
One thing I have noticed about club golf is that the women are often incredibly unathletic. Often only started playing post retirement with little history of playing sport (compared to men who tend to have more history playing or have come from other sports). When a woman with genuine athleticsim joins she tends to wipe the floor with the competition (e.g. club championship thread where a poster mentioned the women's champion won by 36 shots). Redesigning a golf course to cater for this demographic would require a huge overhaul to cater for a minority.
Backache
Assistant Pro
Well I'm in my mid 60's and certainly have never been an athlete but as per 'can you reach' thread I can hit all bar two of the greens in regulation.
There are no pitch and putt courses anywhere near us that I'm aware of , I certainly don't know the closest.
The number of women golfers at our club is a minority but it's not a tiny minority. Having tees more suited to their abilities would allow the game to speed up.
Arccos data suggests women's driving distance is approx 70-75% of men's yet their tees at our course are about 90% of the distance.
Putting it a different way if we took how far men hit it on average and put the men's tees proportionally far back from where the women's tees currently are the course should be over 7500 yds which personally I would find tough to play on a regular basis, yet our course is not untypical for a woman's layout.
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louise_a
Money List Winner
Its not all about hitting every green in GIR, I am a decent player and we have 4 par 4s over 350 yds, for a lot of our ladies that a driver and then 2 woods, they very rarely hit irons, I need a wood for my 2nd shot on most of our par 4s and 5s, and I know how nice it is to be able to hit an iron for your 2nd instead of a wood.
We also have drives over ditches a several holes which cause shorter hitters problems, on our shorter course the tee is on the other side, surely more enjoyable for them.
chellie
Tour Winner
Is that out to every lady? Seems very democratic.
louise_a
Money List Winner
it is all 61 members, 9 voted yes, 17 no, 16 not sure and 19 didnt vote
nickjdavis
Head Pro
"All" you need to do is to sway 9 out of 35
Swango1980
Well-known member
My club has recently changes our tees. Traditionally, we had whites, yellows and reds.
We now have Whites, Greens and Blues. Each set of tees have been rated for men and women, and scorecard changed accordingly. Therefore, hopefully tees will no longer be associated with gender.
It will be interesting if the men / seniors ever play competitions off blues, or the ladies will ever play a competition off yellows or whites. If not, then over time I guess blue tees may become associated with ladies anyway, and greens will be associated with men playing socially. Thus, no difference to yellows and reds now.
We now have Whites, Greens and Blues. Each set of tees have been rated for men and women, and scorecard changed accordingly. Therefore, hopefully tees will no longer be associated with gender.
It will be interesting if the men / seniors ever play competitions off blues, or the ladies will ever play a competition off yellows or whites. If not, then over time I guess blue tees may become associated with ladies anyway, and greens will be associated with men playing socially. Thus, no difference to yellows and reds now.
wjemather
Well-known member
So few clubs consider accessibility issues when choosing new colours for their tees. I can only hope the shades make them distinguishable!
D-S
Well-known member
One of the reasons why we moved away from colours entirely.
We now have 65, 63, 60, 57 and 53 tees (these are based on length of course).
These are now routinely accepted and understood. We have been running various competitions off the different tees to ‘encourage’ sections to play off tees which are not their regular old ones, this has worked well too.
sunshine
Well-known member
We've rebranded our tees as blue, burgundy, purple and green. Burgundy and purple look similar from a distance. Purple and blue quite similar too. Given the broad spectrum of colours available, it feels like the choice is a wind up for colour blind people.
