Tee colours challenge

[Lord Tyrion]

Why would this be the case…and hell?…and the very fact you refer to the reds as ladies tees shows why it is sensible to de-genderise (if there be such a term) tees. If you struggle off longer tees in winter especially, then you should be able, with no stigma attached, to play off a forward tee. And if that’s a red then so be it.

The red tee boxes are not very large and would struggle with the additional wear. The ladies are very protective of those tees and when a few tees were combined early this winter there was indeed 'hell on' and the men were quickly moved onto the fairways instead after strong representations from the ladies section.

Our red tees are only rated for ladies, not men, hence why I added red, ladies tees.

I agree with you, tees should not be gender based. To reach that point though you need the infrastructure to manage that move and at the moment, whilst my club has the space, it doesn't have the money to strengthen that infrastructure. It is what it is.

 

[Slab]

The red tee boxes are not very large and would struggle with the additional wear. The ladies are very protective of those tees and when a few tees were combined early this winter there was indeed 'hell on' and the men were quickly moved onto the fairways instead after strong representations from the ladies section.

Our red tees are only rated for ladies, not men, hence why I added red, ladies tees.

I agree with you, tees should not be gender based. To reach that point though you need the infrastructure to manage that move and at the moment, whilst my club has the space, it doesn't have the money to strengthen that infrastructure. It is what it is.

I'm probably naïve and only quoting this as it’s the most recent instance, but in general terms what is the ‘costs’ and infrastructure needed in increasing the size of a prepared area in order to facilitate more space for red tee teeing area?

A shovel, some grass seed/sod and a lawnmower (all of which the club will have)

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I'm probably naïve and only quoting this as it’s the most recent instance, but in general terms what is the ‘costs’ and infrastructure needed in increasing the size of a prepared area in order to facilitate more space for red tee teeing area?

A shovel, some grass seed/sod and a lawnmower (all of which the club will have)

It depends on how much and also what’s the surrounding area

Also a lot of the red tees at times on the edge of the start of the fairway and it’s not practical to extend them

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm probably naïve and only quoting this as it’s the most recent instance, but in general terms what is the ‘costs’ and infrastructure needed in increasing the size of a prepared area in order to facilitate more space for red tee teeing area?

A shovel, some grass seed/sod and a lawnmower (all of which the club will have)

Absolutely no idea. It does also require a good deal of man hours and sadly we are not blessed with an excessive number of greens staff. On the list of priorities for the club, this will not be high up there. Maybe one day, when all other key things have been sorted then perhaps, but at the moment there are other more important matters to sort.

 

[Slab]

It depends on how much and also what’s the surrounding area

Also a lot of the red tees at times on the edge of the start of the fairway and it’s not practical to extend them

Yeah it'll always depend but wouldn't the ones next to/on fairway be the very easiest to extend the prepared area?

i.e If current prepared area is say only 5 paces front to back (so limited space to move tee markers), cutting the grass in front/behind to closely mown length & doubling (or more) the length of the prepared area would be a doddle

 

[D-S]

I have found that the more people involved, the longer it takes!

Exactly, that’s why we do it in two teams of 3 or 4 sharing common measurements rather than more people getting in each others way.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Yeah it'll always depend but wouldn't the ones next to/on fairway be the very easiest to extend the prepared area?

i.e If current prepared area is say only 5 paces front to back (so limited space to move tee markers), cutting the grass in front/behind to closely mown length & doubling (or more) the length of the prepared area would be a doddle

You don’t want to start seeing tee’s encroaching onto fairways etc

I don’t think I have ever see a request from anyone asking for the red tees to be extended etc

It will all come down to demand and if it’s worth it

I don’t know many if any that want to play of the red tees

 

[Crazyface]

My mates and I have the ability to play comp from any tees of a weekend.

Last month we started on the kids (gold tees)
This month the ladies Green tees
Next up is white and then silver and finally the blacks.

It’s been hilarious and hard.

I play off 7 but off the golds I was off plus 1. It’s amazing How you can play really short holes and struggle so much.

Off the golds I finished 5 over.
Off the greens I managed to par the course.

Does anyone else do this or are you the same colour every week?

I think we should play off ladies tee in winter. Weve not many lady members or men for that matter so it won't damage things too much

 

[Slab]

You don’t want to start seeing tee’s encroaching onto fairways etc

I don’t think I have ever see a request from anyone asking for the red tees to be extended etc

It will all come down to demand and if it’s worth it

I don’t know many if any that want to play of the red tees

Just on this bit
What's the difference between a prepared area suitable for setting tee markers and a piece of fairway

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Just on this bit
What's the difference between a prepared area suitable for setting tee markers and a piece of fairway

It’s normally raised , has markers on it , maybe a sign post etc etc

It prob also doesn’t look great and will go against how the course was designed

But if the scope is there then it’s extended but from past experience Ladies not wanting Men to use “their” tee has nothing to do with the size or wear and tear etc

 

[Slab]

It’s normally raised , has markers on it , maybe a sign post etc etc

It prob also doesn’t look great and will go against how the course was designed

But if the scope is there then it’s extended but from past experience Ladies not wanting Men to use “their” tee has nothing to do with the size or wear and tear etc

This is maybe the bit that means some think it cost loadsa money to create a larger prepared area. There's really no need for it to be raised (and a raised one may suffer from increased wear and tear)

 

[Arthur Wedge]

This is maybe the bit that means some think it cost loadsa money to create a larger prepared area. There's really no need for it to be raised (and a raised one may suffer from increased wear and tear)

But most are already raised - so if you extend it then it also needs to be raised

 

[Slab]

But most are already raised - so if you extend it then it also needs to be raised

Most undersized red tee prepared areas are raised. Gonna say pants on fire to this

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Most undersized red tee prepared areas are raised. Gonna say pants on fire to this

Just going through my course and every red tee is raised bar 3 and those that aren’t are part of the yellow/white teeing area

Most teeing area are raised

 

[Slab]

Just going through my course and every red tee is raised bar 3 and those that aren’t are part of the yellow/white teeing area

Most teeing area are raised

Conclusive then

 

[D-S]

It’s an interesting stigma that men have about Red tees and that they won’t play off them even if colours are changed.
Our current Red tee course is 5786 yards, this is longer than quite a few yellow tee courses at local clubs. Men are quite happy to play these courses off the yellows or be members of them playing the yellows every day but we don’t consider or term them to be “Ladies” courses or too short or too easy. Odd really.

 

[2blue]

It’s an interesting stigma that men have about Red tees and that they won’t play off them even if colours are changed.
Our current Red tee course is 5786 yards, this is longer than quite a few yellow tee courses at local clubs. Men are quite happy to play these courses off the yellows or be members of them playing the yellows every day but we don’t consider or term them to be “Ladies” courses or too short or too easy. Odd really.

We are on the Red course all winter off all-weather tees so all men are familiar with it & the loss of several shots compared to Yellows/Whites. However, this summer when recovering from injury I played from the Reds & mentioned to some of our 'less-able' members that it was in fact a very good challenge & worth a look. 'I'm not that old yet' was the response though they drive, at best, 150/160yds so would suit them just fine. Odd!!

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It’s an interesting stigma that men have about Red tees and that they won’t play off them even if colours are changed.
Our current Red tee course is 5786 yards, this is longer than quite a few yellow tee courses at local clubs. Men are quite happy to play these courses off the yellows or be members of them playing the yellows every day but we don’t consider or term them to be “Ladies” courses or too short or too easy. Odd really.

It’s a combination of that and Ladies not wanting their tees used by anyone else

The sooner all courses rate all tees for both and remove colours to be more neutral

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The red tee boxes are not very large and would struggle with the additional wear. The ladies are very protective of those tees and when a few tees were combined early this winter there was indeed 'hell on' and the men were quickly moved onto the fairways instead after strong representations from the ladies section.

Our red tees are only rated for ladies, not men, hence why I added red, ladies tees.

I agree with you, tees should not be gender based. To reach that point though you need the infrastructure to manage that move and at the moment, whilst my club has the space, it doesn't have the money to strengthen that infrastructure. It is what it is.

Understand totally. We are looking to spend a load of money over the coming few years to widen our tees wherever possible - building new additional tees for holes where it is less feasible - all to cope with the increased demand from members and the wear and tear our traditional old long and narrow tees suffer. We are fortunate that, for the foreseeable few years at least, we should have the budget to do that. Many in the club see alternative uses for the budget - of course they would - it wouldn't be a members club if that didn't happen.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You don’t want to start seeing tee’s encroaching onto fairways etc

I don’t think I have ever see a request from anyone asking for the red tees to be extended etc

It will all come down to demand and if it’s worth it

I don’t know many if any that want to play of the red tees

On a few holes we are building a new (small) Blue teeing ground close to or on the very start of the fairway so that the Red tee has its tee ground to itself rather than have it shared with the Blue tee. Gotta be careful where we position the new Blueys so that they don't create an issue for shortest shots from the tees further back.