Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
The case for the arrogance prosecution rests M'lud
LIV Golf
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Mel Smooth
Hacker
Poor response, I'll invite you to explain that view, but won't hold my breath.
cleveland52
Active member
LOL! They're only meaningless to the players that refuses to conform.
OWGR points become meaningless when players that don't conform receive unearned points.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
No point..you wouldn't listen to it.
cleveland52
Active member
Agreed 100%....and that arrogance that LIV possesses is very annoying.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Of course I would, I listened to the lame “arrogant” comment didn’t I?
They are meaningless to me. And anyone who wants to see a ranking of who the worlds best golfers are - which given the name of the OWGR, suggests it purports to give. They used to make a good assessment of it. But now distorts itself as it hasnt updated to the modern world, which includes topflight golfers not playing in tournaments that didnt exist when it was defined. The measure isnt fit for purpose. OWGR are a laughing stock if they dont adapt very sharply now.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Again it's everyone else having to comply with LIV....it should be the other way round.
LIV just make noise and expect everyone to listen.
And they don't listen to anyone else.
LIV are the problem.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
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birdyhunter
Active member
Is LIV open to anyone, or invitation only to one of the 48 slots?
Just asking for a mate who wants to gain some OWGR points.
PhilTheFragger
Provider of Entertainment for the Golfing Gods 🙄
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The oozlum bird, also spelled ouzelum, is a legendary creature found in Australian and British folk tales and legends. Some versions have it that, the bird will fly around in ever-decreasing circles until it manages to fly up its own backside, disappearing completely, which adds to its rarity.
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Mel Smooth
Hacker
Tell him not to bother, apparently LIV can spot a talented amateur, sign him up, and that kid can fulfill his potential within 5 events to win several million dollars.
If your mate wants Gregg’s number, DM me
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birdyhunter
Active member
So it's invitation only? Thanks.. I'll tell her that she will never get OWGR points in LIV
cleveland52
Active member
OWGR has no obligation to rank leisurely golf no matter how many times LIV exhibition fans repeat its bogus claim that the process is illegitimate. Hopefully LIV Golf Series bullying tactic will fail despite all of its backdoor antics.
People are laughing. but they're laughing at the ridiculous excuses LIV fans are presenting in favor of points.
LIV are a problem alright. Its a crap tour, and harming the entertainment value of pro golf. But prostituting the OWGR as a tool of the PGAT seems something the PGAT is willing to sacrifice. There may be an Official World Golf Ranking these days, but there is no ranking of the world's best golfers.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Go on then, I'll bite.
For clarification, which tournaments can you share that are open to absolutely anyone?
The Open Championship might be an obvious choice, but then players have to have attained a certain standard, and have to be male! So no, that doesn't fit, not open to anyone.
Am not here to defend liv. The limitations are well known. I am capable of acknowledging it has only been around 4 months though.
There was this stuff....
https://golf.com/news/liv-golf-relegation-qualifying-tournament/?amp=1
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BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Nah, just reading the words written. (and clearly being back pedalled from now)
I imagine a fair few score of PGAT members would have liked to have played the CJ Cup last week - but it wasn't open to them. Especially not the 13% of places that were for invitations. ?
Message received, invitationals are now bad. Best remove all records of early Masters tournaments.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Checked posts 7926 & 7928 for any references to OWGR - and of course there aren't any.I didn't know that OWGR pre-dated early Masters tournaments. You live and learn
Post 7929 duly filed into "Deflection 101".
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Good evening.
Ian_George
Active member
I'm in favour of LIV golfers being awarded points - eventually!
But before that happens, LIV must comply with the many, reasonable, requirements/rules that it currently fails to, primarily as these 'standardise' the assessment of any tournament's worth! Those requirements were published long before LIV started demanding immediate allocation of points and are complied with by all tours that awarded them. So I agree with your description of their tactics as 'bullying' and 'backdoor'!
It seems, to me, that it's really only for the Majors that 'immediate' OWGR points, are critical - and then only for a very limited number of players anyway. The likes of Cam Smith, Dustin Johnson, BdC etc already gualify - through criteria separate to OWGR positions - and will continue to do so for 2-3 years, so they've no problem if it takes the standard 12 month-ish assessment time before the tour is able to allocate points. If that wasn't considered and checked by the other players before they signed up to LIV, then more fool them!! They already have a convenient vehicle, the MENA Tour through which to achieve that - while still operating their 'invitation' series.
As for the alternative ranking - that includes LIV tournaments/players, that's simply a different analysis with no better or poorer value imo except those running the Majors (and The Players) control it - no bad thing imo. FWIW, my casual analysis indicates that it rates LIV tournaments pretty low compared to PGAT ones, which doesn't help the points allocated to those LIV players finishing outside the first few places - and that's in addition to the likes of Cam Smith, BdC etc. who are not performing very well for whatever reason.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Isn't it odd that for tens of millions of golfers our ranking is based on our best performances in our last 20 rounds but for elite pros it's closer to their best in their last 200 rounds
Just give the pros a ranking based on best 8 from 20 and problem solved
Just give the pros a ranking based on best 8 from 20 and problem solved
