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[BrianM]

They are world class, but they only play against each other plus a bunch of nobodies , rather than all the rest of the best in the world.

Your right James, but if you were involved from a business point of view what would be your thoughts?
I’m not keen on the format but I’m more gutted from a European side that we never looked after our own, anyone can see that, as for Keith Pelley, disgusted, but why is a Canadian looking after our affairs, was he really the best choice?

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Your right James, but if you were involved from a business point of view what would be your thoughts?
I’m not keen on the format but I’m more gutted from a European side that we never looked after our own, anyone can see that, as for Keith Pelley, disgusted, but why is a Canadian looking after our affairs, was he really the best choice?

I don’t think that where he’s from really matters.

 

[BrianM]

I don’t think that where he’s from really matters.

Why not?
I’ve worked for American companies since 2007, with no disrespect they never were really bothered with the Uk.

 

[BubbaP]

Keep up the progress, and he could get to Champions tour standard maybe, but the way Harrington is playing, Phil would still find it tough going there.

Maybe Phil read this.??
He shot -6 today ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Your right James, but if you were involved from a business point of view what would be your thoughts?
I’m not keen on the format but I’m more gutted from a European side that we never looked after our own, anyone can see that, as for Keith Pelley, disgusted, but why is a Canadian looking after our affairs, was he really the best choice?

What could the European Tour have done to stop players going to the US ?

Also not sure what Pellys nationality has to do with anything - people moved to the US a long time before he was in post

 

[BrianM]

What could the European Tour have done to stop players going to the US ?

Also not sure what Pellys nationality has to do with anything - people moved to the US a long time before he was in post

Phil, without being disrespectful, his nationality can have a lot to do with it, he maybe doesn’t fully understand the thoughts of the European people and what they want.

Could the European tour of done more, in my opinion,yes, what, I’m not sure, sponsors, good relations etc.

I believe we (European tour) have hung ourselves out to dry and that’s the problem from our side.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Why not?
I’ve worked for American companies since 2007, with no disrespect they never were really bothered with the Uk.

He doesn’t work for a US company. He works for the European Tour.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil, without being disrespectful, his nationality can have a lot to do with it, he maybe doesn’t fully understand the thoughts of the European people and what they want.

Seriously ?! “What the European people want” ?!

And what exactly is that ?

Does the European Tour not play all over the world and has done for decades ? So someone who has been CEO of sports ventures and global media would be the right choice - his nationality should have nothing to do with

Could the European tour of done more, in my opinion,yes, what, I’m not sure, sponsors, good relations etc.

I believe we (European tour) have hung ourselves out to dry and that’s the problem from our side.

Do you not think they are doing that already , trying to get the sponsers in ?

The biggest golf market is the US , that’s where there is the sponsors , the money , the year round tournaments

The ET could have financially crippled itself trying to challenge the PGAT or it could get a working relationship with it to help boost ET events.

 

[doublebogey7]

But can businesses change and push on to make a better product, the DPWT have lost out to a better business product (PGA) more money, the circle of life, regardless of our own opinions on who’s got enough.
We need competition for fairness, anyone with half a brain knows DJ, CamSmith, maybe BDC & Patrick Reed are world class.

The European Tour has been playing second fiddle to the PGAT since I started watching golf some 50 years ago. Yes of course business can change to make a better product, but LiV has nothing to do with business (its political) and is certainly not a better product in its current form.

Business competition falls way behind fair & open sporting competition when it comes to my interest in sport and LiV is most definitely not providing that, as it does not have a clear path to entry. Nearly all football fans opposed the Super League proposals for that very reason, I just do not understand why there are some golf fans who can find a way to support this.

 

[doublebogey7]

Phil, without being disrespectful, his nationality can have a lot to do with it, he maybe doesn’t fully understand the thoughts of the European people and what they want.

Could the European tour of done more, in my opinion,yes, what, I’m not sure, sponsors, good relations etc.

I believe we (European tour) have hung ourselves out to dry and that’s the problem from our side.

So you think the European tour could have done more, but you do not know how, how very constructive. I shouldn't though be surprised having sat through the whinging at many a golf club AGM.

 

[Backsticks]

The European Tour has been playing second fiddle to the PGAT since I started watching golf some 50 years ago. Yes of course business can change to make a better product, but LiV has nothing to do with business (its political) and is certainly not a better product in its current form.

Business competition falls way behind fair & open sporting competition when it comes to my interest in sport and LiV is most definitely not providing that, as it does not have a clear path to entry. Nearly all football fans opposed the Super League proposals for that very reason, I just do not understand why there are some golf fans who can find a way to support this.

The Eurooean tour has played second fiddle to the US for 3 reasons :
- the US has the best golfers. They win the most majors, the ultimate measure. European ones were rare, and still sporadic compared to US ones
- Tiger. Arnie. Jack.
- Corporate America funds golf, and golf has a much longer, deeper, and widespread history among affluent Americans, CEOs, boards, banks, motor companies, etc than Europe.

The ET could never comoete with that. And once you occupy the ground of top dog, for whatever historical reason, you can often stay there even if the original reason for gaining it is gone.

LIV has made a couple of dents, and they are still only small dents, in the PGAT, because they have unloaded a suitcase full of oil cash to try to takeover.

 

[howbow88]

My brain can't deal with all that. Can't we just have a single par 3 inside Wembley Stadium? They all play that a few times each?

Why a few times? Everyone should just play it once and if there's a tie, the winner is decided on who has the most followers on Instagram.

 

[Mel Smooth]

I think everyone would agree that some PGAT events don't have the strongest of fields. But they are providing playing opportunities almost every week of the year to those that meet the qualifying criteria all within a commercially viable framework. LiV events, on the other hand, provide employment opportunities to a limited field of around 1/3 that of the PGAT tour for a mamimum of 14 weeks of the year and all of them are pretty poor in their field make up in comparison to the top PGAT and DP tour events.

You mean the majors and a select few other events? In the main, the fields in the tour events are nothing to get excited about.

 

[Mel Smooth]

?‍ It’s certainly not something i would pay for ?

But I’m guessing the answer avoids it - LIV are looking for a media deal , that’s going to involve the media company looking to recover costs

Right now millions are happy to pay for multi sport subscriptions and with the golf subscription comes with all the majors etc

How many people are going to pay to watch the LIV events on a media source - when right now the levels watching it for free are low

Well, I honestly don't know who will pay - we're just assuming of course that the cost is going to be comparable to what people pay for Sky, but that's because we've been brainwashed into thinking that it's good value - it may be more, it may be less, it may even remain free - we just don't know at this stage.

If it stayed on You Tube forever, that would be fine with me - but I know there are peope out there that want to be able to switch on their television and find "LIV Golf", on their TV programme menu, rather than watching via You Tube. Obviously it will also accelerate the popularity of the series if it can be seen as more 'mainstream'

Time will tell I guess, but with 14 events, there isn't any value to the consumer in an expensive annual subscription, and there isn't great value in that deal for the broadcaster - essentially the money in LIV isn't just going to come from the TV deal, it will come from sponsors who will want maximum exposure (I've seen an 800million dollar team sponsorship mentioned this morning).

Guess we'll just have to see how it pans out - I'm expecting it will be behind a paywall next year but wouldn't be surprised if it isn't.

 

[IanM]

Why a few times? Everyone should just play it once and if there's a tie, the winner is decided on who has the most followers on Instagram.

Excellent suggestion. Maybe go straight to step two? People won't want to watch all that golf?

 

[Jacko_G]

Phil, without being disrespectful, his nationality can have a lot to do with it, he maybe doesn’t fully understand the thoughts of the European people and what they want.

Could the European tour of done more, in my opinion,yes, what, I’m not sure, sponsors, good relations etc.

I believe we (European tour) have hung ourselves out to dry and that’s the problem from our side.

That man is single handedly undermining and selling off the European Tour. It's a shame how far he is prepared to go to please the US.

 

[Mel Smooth]

That man is single handedly undermining and selling off the European Tour. It's a shame how far he is prepared to go to please the US.

I guess people will realise his agenda, when he steps into a role on the PGAT board....

 

[Jacko_G]

Cam Smith - best in the world winning last night. Great viewing.

LIV is here to stay stop letting the media brainwash you. Brilliant day yesterday watching Oban's Bobby Mac holding off the US Open Champion followed by LIV last night.

 

[Swango1980]

You mean the majors and a select few other events? In the main, the fields in the tour events are nothing to get excited about.

And yet here you are, constantly getting excited about the field in LIV.

Sounds like all you are doing is hugely spinning any fact to ensure you are pro LIV and anti PGA Tour. Even if it is the same fact, but interpreted in completely opposite ways depending on whether it is related to PGA or LIV.

Regarding your next post, where you mention being brainwashed by what we pay Sky. Another nonsense statement. People will pay what they want to pay. If it was too much, they generally wouldn't pay. Unless you think we are all brainwashed into paying what we do for a pint of milk, set of golf clubs, a car, a house or anything else we use our money for.

 

[Swango1980]

Cam Smith - best in the world winning last night. Great viewing.

LIV is here to stay stop letting the media brainwash you. Brilliant day yesterday watching Oban's Bobby Mac holding off the US Open Champion followed by LIV last night.

Haha. To me that shows how awful LIV is at the moment. Until I saw your post, I didn't even realise there was a LIV event on this weekend. Now, I am sure there might have been other posts I missed (sometimes I skip a load of pages as loads of comments have been made since I last checked). However, virtually all the posts I've seen are the same old rubbish about LIV being better than PGA Tour or vice versa. A LIV thread, and not even LIV supporters have been trying to focus on the golf being played on LIV. And, clearly mainstream media must be ignoring it as much as possible, while not seen any adds on facebook or youTube about it.

LIV has a long long way to go. If LIV fans feel they still need to spend more effort justifying its existence, it proves it is nowhere near where they want it to be yet.