LIV Golf

[Backsticks]

The PGA Tour does not own golf.

Liv has done nothing wrong in starting up a new tour to challenge it?

A large part of why we are where we are is because of the PGA Tours actions and stance.
So you can not blame all the harm on Liv?..

I suppose. Germany just 'challenged' France in 1939. Everybody came out a winner, right?

 

[Backsticks]

The PGA Tour does not own golf.

Liv has done nothing wrong in starting up a new tour to challenge it?

A large part of why we are where we are is because of the PGA Tours actions and stance.
So you can not blame all the harm on Liv?..

I blame it all on LIV. They just wanted a piece of the profits, and to push Saudi and the Saudis as great guys who just want to share the golf love more evenly around tge world rather than those pesky yanks keeping it all for themselves.

If they were bringing improvement, I would be all for it. But they have brought gimmick and division. No LIV, no gimmick, no division. Saudis are the scary bad guys here, no question about it. Even Phil ackowledges that.

 

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[Deleted member 21445]

I blame it all on LIV. They just wanted a piece of the profits, and to push Saudi and the Saudis as great guys who just want to share the golf love more evenly around tge world rather than those pesky yanks keeping it all for themselves.

If they were bringing improvement, I would be all for it. But they have brought gimmick and division. No LIV, no gimmick, no division. Saudis are the scary bad guys here, no question about it. Even Phil ackowledges that.

As I said earlier as a person who likes the traditional format that's been here forever Liv is delighted you hate it because it's not aimed at you..

If you liked it they wouldn't be doing their job correctly in bringing something different to attract a new younger audience to the game.

 

[evemccc]

That's an element of a player's ability to compete at the highest level of pressure, not their skill level.
Yes, some players are better at the sharp end than others, but in terms of a ranking system to qualify for top end competition (majors etc), I think a WHS type of arrangement would work well.

If you want to see who is the best competitor then look at their results, many times the argument has been made on here that being OWGR number 1 is worthless compared to winning a major so it's not as though people see it as a goal in itself.

I'm suggesting a simple means of rating players that crosses all tours.
And it would be nice to see just how good the professionals are compared to us.

Someone I know (an occasional green fee golfer, who estimates his Hcap as 18) thinks that Rory is “as a scratch golfer, about 18 shots better than me”

I didn’t really say anything but just nodded..?

 

[Jacko_G]

I see the haters still wanna hate.

Looking forward to another night of great viewing coming up with Cam Smith the best player in the world showcasing his talents.

 

[IanM]

Not sure what news you are reading, are you suggesting 48 players have stormed out of something?
#confused

So, you missed the press conferences given by the big names resigning from the Tour? Never mind, Google away, you'll find them

 

[BubbaP]

So, you missed the press conferences given by the big names resigning from the Tour? Never mind, Google away, you'll find them

Well I don't recall big names, or anyone, resigning from the DP World Tour, as per your post ?‍
I do recall a few resigning from the PGAT, and they were quoted as "to avoid sanctions", but I am not aware of any of them trying to play on the PGAT. ?‍
Perhaps it isn't me who needs to "google away" ?

 

[Swango1980]

As I said earlier as a person who likes the traditional format that's been here forever Liv is delighted you hate it because it's not aimed at you..

If you liked it they wouldn't be doing their job correctly in bringing something different to attract a new younger audience to the game.

I think that is well off the mark.

Forget tradition, the key thing is that LIV want golf fans that watch golf. 100% of them watched traditional formats, but that is only because that was what was on offer. LIV need to attract those same people, hoping they like, or even prefer, the new format. There is absolutely zero benefit in LIV pissing the existing golf fans off. Unless you expect LIV to win even more fans of people, who don't even watch or like golf at all.

The only extra market LIV is really getting at the moment, that traditional golf isn't, are the fans that didn't want to pay for Sky, and are happy to watch it for free on youTube. Other than that, it needs to attract kids who hadn't been around to watch golf, and are now watching it on youtube at their leisure. I'd expect that market is significantly less than people who traditionally invested in Sky, for a large part to watch golf. In other words, people who have been eager enough to watch golf already.

It would be a ridiculous business model for a new golf tour to piss off a huge proportion of their biggest market

 

[Deleted member 15344]

As I said earlier as a person who likes the traditional format that's been here forever Liv is delighted you hate it because it's not aimed at you..

If you liked it they wouldn't be doing their job correctly in bringing something different to attract a new younger audience to the game.

The main draw for people right now is the fact it’s golf they can watch without having to pay a subscription-the actual golf is still the same minus 18 holes , it’s still the same format being played

Well I don't recall big names, or anyone, resigning from the DP World Tour, as per your post ?‍
I do recall a few resigning from the PGAT, and they were quoted as "to avoid sanctions", but I am not aware of any of them trying to play on the PGAT. ?‍
Perhaps it isn't me who needs to "google away" ?

Think the only one who mentioned resigning from the ET was Garcia but then he changed his mind.

Court cases will sort it all out - or make it worse ?

 

[IanM]

Well I don't recall big names, or anyone, resigning from the DP World Tour, as per your post ?‍
I do recall a few resigning from the PGAT, and they were quoted as "to avoid sanctions", but I am not aware of any of them trying to play on the PGAT. ?‍
Perhaps it isn't me who needs to "google away" ?

Selective reading of my post, well done ! Does "a few" mean "most of them" on your world? Virtually all of them had a press conference.

So you agree there were players making a noise about leaving.

Are you aware Majors are co sanctioned?

As I keep saying. Leaving is their right. But they knew it would have consequences. They are being handsomely paid for it, even the one's finding they have dropped off the end of the "rosta"

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Selective reading of my post, well done

So you agree there were players making a noise about leaving.

Are you aware Majors are co sanctioned?

Majors aren’t “co sanctioned” - they are run by the governing bodies for that major but all tours count them as “qualifying” events for that tour. But the tours have no say in who plays in them

 

[IanM]

Majors aren’t “co sanctioned” - they are run by the governing bodies for that major but all tours count them as “qualifying” events for that tour. But the tours have no say in who plays in them

Apologies... but they do add points in both rankings. Was my thought and misuse of language.

Anyway, additional thought... go to work on Tuesday, tell your boss you wish to resign from the company, but only some of it.

I wonder what the reply will be?

 

[evemccc]

It would be a ridiculous business model for a new golf tour to piss off a huge proportion of their biggest market

????????????????????????????Best post ever…

That is precisely what the ECB and broadcasters have done with cricket and the Hundred ?

Cricket Administrators…The only people who have a visceral hatred of their own sport’s fan-base - and who are equally hated by the bread-and-bread fans, due to chasing an ephemeral and mythical market segment

 

[PJ87]

Apologies... but they do add points in both rankings. Was my thought and misuse of language.

Anyway, additional thought... go to work on Tuesday, tell your boss you wish to resign from the company, but only some of it.

I wonder what the reply will be?

That's been the entire arguement tho hasn't it

They arent suppose to be employees of the PGA tour.

So if a labourer wants to go work on 2 sites at once can he or she be stopped?

 

[BubbaP]

Selective reading of my post, well done ! Does "a few" mean "most of them" on your world? Virtually all of them had a press conference.

So you agree there were players making a noise about leaving.

Are you aware Majors are co sanctioned?

As I keep saying. Leaving is their right. But they knew it would have consequences. They are being handsomely paid for it, even the one's finding they have dropped off the end of the "rosta"

"Selective reading" ????

You should probably go back and read your post again! There was no "some players", and this...
"so dramatically and noisily stormed out"
which you later said meant "resigned"

Anyway, hopefully can leave it - there was plenty of sensible debate on going, without making stuff up for sound bites

 

[Blue in Munich]

That's been the entire arguement tho hasn't it

They arent suppose to be employees of the PGA tour.

So if a labourer wants to go work on 2 sites at once can he or she be stopped?

That depends if both sites are happy to employ then part time. As LIV has a limited number of functions they are happy to let their employees work elsewhere. The PGA Tour has a full quota of functions and plenty of free agents willing to work them so neither need nor want someone else's part time labour.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's been the entire arguement tho hasn't it

They arent suppose to be employees of the PGA tour.

So if a labourer wants to go work on 2 sites at once can he or she be stopped?

The players are members of relevant tours and gain playing rights in those tours - the membership comes with its rules etc

 

[PJ87]

That depends if both sites are happy to employ then part time. As LIV has a limited number of functions they are happy to let their employees work elsewhere. The PGA Tour has a full quota of functions and plenty of free agents willing to work them so neither need nor want someone else's part time labour.

Which for that part is fine, however the majors should imo remain open to them if they fit the criteria. I don't believe it should be changed to try and exclude them

DJ etc masters for life

However they could have made points up boosting the DP world tour which would be great to see that get stronger golfers again

Yet the PGA want them in line and come up with imo a crazy deal where the best 10 players get the PGA tour card and off they pop to the PGA weakening the DP world further

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Which for that part is fine, however the majors should imo remain open to them if they fit the criteria. I don't believe it should be changed to try and exclude them

DJ etc masters for life

However they could have made points up boosting the DP world tour which would be great to see that get stronger golfers again

Yet the PGA want them in line and come up with imo a crazy deal where the best 10 players get the PGA tour card and off they pop to the PGA weakening the DP world further

The majors aren’t going to change anything and they also won’t ban them etc or remove their exemptions

The majors are open to everyone including players not on any tour

If the R&A , USGA , PGA of America and Augusta Committee get dragged into lawsuits then they may react but until that moment they will stay out of it and keep their qualifying exactly how it is