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[Deleted member 15344]

They dont really comply.... they made the rules.

I could define the criteria for the OBWGR, better known as the Official Backsticks World Golf Rankings. It would be a great coup for the golf monthly forum to have the no. 1 OBWGR golfer as a poster!

No they comply -hence why over the years some events have had to change to gain a level of ranking points

But here is the list of Tours that currently comply

and as you can see they have had no issues with new tours joining in recent years

If LIV wants to gain points then they just have their events under the ranking guidelines

• PGA Tour
• European Tour
• Asian Tour (from 2000; not a charter member of the Federation)
• PGA Tour of Australasia
• Japan Golf Tour
• Sunshine Tour

Points are also awarded for high finishes on other tours:

• Korn Ferry Tour, the official developmental tour for the PGA Tour
• Challenge Tour, the official developmental tour for the European Tour
• PGA Tour Canada, which became a full member of the Federation in 2009 under its former name of the Canadian Professional Golf Tour
• Korean Tour, from 2011
• PGA Tour Latinoamérica, from 2011 (Tour de las Américas in 2011 and early 2012)
• Asian Development Tour, the official developmental tour for the Asian Tour, from 2013[6]
• PGA Tour China, from 2014[7]
• Alps Tour, from July 2015[8]
• Nordic Golf League, from July 2015[8]
• PGA EuroPro Tour, from July 2015[8]
• Pro Golf Tour, from July 2015[8]
• MENA Golf Tour, from April 2016[9]
• Big Easy Tour, from 2018[10]
• China Tour, from 2018[11]
• All Thailand Golf Tour, from 2019[12]
• Professional Golf Tour of India, from 2019[12]
• Japan Challenge Tour

 

[Backsticks]

Players aren’t ranked by their ability - they are ranked by their performances against their peers

DJ must have gotten a fair few points tgen for beating his peers Nieman, Westwood, Garcia. How many did he get?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

DJ must have gotten a fair few points tgen for beating his peers Nieman, Westwood, Garcia. How many did he get?

None because he didn’t beat them playing in an eligible tournament ?‍

And don’t thin he would have got much beating one decent player and a couple closer to the Champions tour

 

[Backsticks]

None because he didn’t beat them playing in an eligible tournament ?‍

And don’t thin he would have got much beating one decent player and a couple closer to the Champions tour

Surely performing better than his peers means he should gain ranking points? He ranked abive them.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Surely performing better than his peers means he should gain ranking points? He ranked abive them.

Are you struggling to understand “eligible” tournament ?

 

[IanM]

Are you struggling to understand “eligible” tournament ?

You mean I got no Ranking Points for my position in todays medal? See you in Court mate!

 

[Dando]

Surely performing better than his peers means he should gain ranking points? He ranked abive them.

??‍

 

[BTatHome]

Incredible that we have so many people suddenly interested in the rankings criteria and the eligibility of events.

I wonder how Tigers tournament convinced everyone to turn a blind eye, didn't he have invite only, and no cut to the very small field too?

LIV Vs PGA on the forum continues to rumble on .... which apparently nobody interested in it but it still generates pages and pages on ridiculous argument

 

[Mel Smooth]

Another exciting finish to look forwards to today, DJ wobbling, Smiths short game is on another level - think he’ll be favourite today.

The team event has been dominated by the 4 Aces but they’ll need Reed or Perez to step up with a good round today if they want to maintain their winning streak - best 3 to count today.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

I'm always perplexed that people seem to think that if DJ and Cam Smith for example fall outside the top 100 of the OWGR points then they are now not 2 of the best Golfers in the world.

Of course they are and that's why the OWGR could look for the 1st time not accurately representing the list and lose some meaning.

As each top player moves across and on recent history we have to believe they will continue to trickle across to Liv the OWGR becomes more obsolete..

That is a fact...

 

[Mel Smooth]

I'm always perplexed that people seem to think that if DJ and Cam Smith for example fall outside the top 100 of the OWGR points then they are now not 2 of the best Golfers in the world.

Of course they are and that's why the OWGR could look for the 1st time not accurately representing the list and lose some meaning.

As each top player moves across and on recent history we have to believe they will continue to trickle across to Liv the OWGR becomes more obsolete..

That is a fact...

All somebody needs to do, is set up a database that represents the LIV players compared to the rest of the world, it's not that hard to do - infact I wouldn't be surprised if the LIV team are working on it right now - possibly discreetly or by funding some data analysists. Make the information publically accesible so the public can see the CORRECT world golf rankings, and the OWGR is no longer reliable, and once it is no longer reliable, there's a valid argument that it shouldn't be used as qulaification to Major golf competitions.
Then you are left with the argument that players shouldn't be allowed to compete in them because they play in a different series - which is dangerous ground.

 

[Backsticks]

The pgat has weathered the assault due to Saudis failure to sign enough top golfers to be relevant. 5 premium golfers lost is a wound, but the pgat remains healthy.
But the owgr hasnt. Its a dead duck. Unless it adapts. It has lost 50 or something golfers, and it need to have relevance down into the hundreds of golfers to be relevant. And 50 from 300 is fatal.
The owgr mean nothing at all at the moment, though they have a few months to right the ship.

 

[Crow]

A simple alternative to the OWGR, and one that should be relatable to golf fans the world over, would be to use a WHS type system at all professional tournaments.

That way the strength of the field wouldn't matter so much. A course rating could be generated to reflect the difficulty of the course from the back tees, using tournament green speeds, etc.

We'd then be able to see who was the best week in, week out, and just how good they were compared to us mere mortals. There might not be one player at the top of the ranking each week as ties would be more common but that's no big deal.

Why you could even combine men's and ladies "indexes" into the same table so the best golfer across the board could be identified.

 

[Backsticks]

At the sharp end at the top of the pyramid though, its wins and placings that matter, not absolute scores. A 63 in the last round to win the Masters is not worth the same as a 63 in the first round of a Nordic golf league tournament.

 

[BubbaP]

On a tangent, I felt that Padraig was the best in the world for 13 months or so, 2007 / 2008, but his highest owgr was 3.

 

[Backsticks]

On a tangent, I felt that Padraig was the best in the world for 13 months or so, 2007 / 2008, but his highest owgr was 3.

Was he though? I thought he came into his second Open having played very poorly in the first half of the year?

 

[Deleted member 21445]

The pgat has weathered the assault due to Saudis failure to sign enough top golfers to be relevant. 5 premium golfers lost is a wound, but the pgat remains healthy.
But the owgr hasnt. Its a dead duck. Unless it adapts. It has lost 50 or something golfers, and it need to have relevance down into the hundreds of golfers to be relevant. And 50 from 300 is fatal.
The owgr mean nothing at all at the moment, though they have a few months to right the ship.

DJ letting slip the Liv fields are going to be even stronger next year.
Phil M boldly saying the PGA Tour has always had all the best players in the world and that will never be the case again.
Liv saying they are now not interested in coexist talks

This is all suggesting they know something we don't know so that assault is still gathering momentum..

I honestly think some Presidents Cup players will switch in the next few weeks.

 

[Mel Smooth]

DJ letting slip the Liv fields are going to be even stronger next year.
Phil M boldly saying the PGA Tour has always had all the best players in the world and that will never be the case again.
Liv saying they are now not interested in coexist talks

This is all suggesting they know something we don't know so that assault is still gathering momentum..

I honestly think some Presidents Cup players will switch in the next few weeks.

I've read 6 OEM sponsors ready to come in as well, in addition to a few other snippits that looked like good business for LIV.

 

[IanM]

World rankings become meaningless when you split a sport. (Eg darts and boxing)

That is also the difference between the Saudis sponsoring a Tour event and deliberately looking to take over a part of it.

In the end, the sport suffers, but a few rich folk get even richer.

 

[Backsticks]

Lowry on No Laying Up was saying he felt the group at the meeting in Delaware was secure to pgat.
Guys in the 50-150 rankings count for nothing.
Unless LIV signs a handful from McIlroy, Scheffler, Cantlay, Rahm, Thomas, etc, I can see why LiV would now not be interested in coexist talks, as they have nothing to bargain with.