LIV Golf

[Mel Smooth]

That depends if both sites are happy to employ then part time. As LIV has a limited number of functions they are happy to let their employees work elsewhere. The PGA Tour has a full quota of functions and plenty of free agents willing to work them so neither need nor want someone else's part time labour.

Is there a PGA event on this weekend? (I know there is - Willett is leading, who ironically wouldn't even be there if LIV didn't exist). Maybe that's an indication of how weak some of these PGA events are?

 

[BubbaP]

The majors aren’t going to change anything and they also won’t ban them etc or remove their exemptions

The majors are open to everyone including players not on any tour

If the R&A , USGA , PGA of America and Augusta Committee get dragged into lawsuits then they may react but until that moment they will stay out of it and keep their qualifying exactly how it is

Agree, although acknowledge Masters Committee are a bit of an unknown. They can come across a bit anti-establishment at times, wanting to do their own thing, however they have these in the published qualification, ahead of the rankings part.
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Winners of PGA Tour events that award a full-point allocation for the season-ending Tour Championship, from previous Masters to current Masters

Those qualifying for the previous year's season-ending Tour Championship
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Which does come across as a bit "in bed with PGAT".
Who knows maybe the PGAT had their arm twisted...

 

[PJ87]

One massive positive of Liv is its slowly weakening the USA Ryder cup team

Reed , DJ , Bryson all gone ..

Where as who ATM have team Europe lost? All the old guard who if picked would be questionable

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Is there a PGA event on this weekend? (I know there is - Willett is leading, who ironically wouldn't even be there if LIV didn't exist). Maybe that's an indication of how weak some of these PGA events are?

Everyone knows that every single PGA or indeed ET event doesn’t always have the top players in them - it’s not the same field every week which is why there are so many different winners each season.

Would it not get a bit boring to see the same players every event ? Right now LIV is moving towards a two man show every event - Cam Smith and DJ ? Will that not start to get a bit boring just having the same two standout players fighting it out every event ?

And right now it’s great to see Willett doing well in the US

 

[Swango1980]

Is there a PGA event on this weekend? (I know there is - Willett is leading, who ironically wouldn't even be there if LIV didn't exist). Maybe that's an indication of how weak some of these PGA events are?

You've answered a large reason why many hate LIV, well done. It's existence weakens the fields in the elite golf we already have, whilst the LIV fields are also weak.

It is weakening the game, not strengthening it.

 

[Mel Smooth]

One massive positive of Liv is its slowly weakening the USA Ryder cup team

Reed , DJ , Bryson all gone ..

Where as who ATM have team Europe lost? All the old guard who if picked would be questionable

Westwood is playing pretty well right now to be fair - if I was Donald, I'd be picking him.

 

[Mel Smooth]

You've answered a large reason why many hate LIV, well done. It's existence weakens the fields in the elite golf we already have, whilst the LIV fields are also weak.

It is weakening the game, not strengthening it.

No it isn't. You claim you've never watched LIV but are obsessed with it. How is that weakening the game of golf? The fact it's got you and many others so triggered validates it's very existence.
This thread backs that up.


The only thing it's weakened is the value of the subscription packages some of you pay to watch elite golf on Sky etc.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

That's been the entire arguement tho hasn't it

They arent suppose to be employees of the PGA tour.

So if a labourer wants to go work on 2 sites at once can he or she be stopped?

Yes they can is the short answer, depending on how they are employed. We have a number of contractors working for us. Their contracts prohibits them from working for one of our competitors at the same time. All of our competitors have the same contracts.

They players may have been independent when playing on the PGAT. The contracts discussed in the recent court case would suggest they are now employees of LiV though.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Westwood is playing pretty well right now to be fair - if I was Donald, I'd be picking him.

Westwood ?!? ??

No it isn't. You claim you've never watched LIV but are obsessed with it. How is that weakening the game of golf? The fact it's got you and many others so triggered validates it's very existence.
This thread backs that up.


The only thing it's weakened is the value of the subscription packages some of you pay to watch elite golf on Sky etc.

What will you do next year when you need to pay a subscription to watch LIV

 

[PJ87]

Yes they can is the short answer, depending on how they are employed. We have a number of contractors working for us. Their contracts prohibits them from working for one of our competitors at the same time. All of our competitors have the same contracts.

They players may have been independent when playing on the PGAT. The contracts discussed in the recent court case would suggest they are now employees of LiV though.

Which Liv don't mind them playing other events so they can play them if they please

However it just means they have to play Liv if Liv is playing

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Which Liv don't mind them playing other events so they can play them if they please

However it just means they have to play Liv if Liv is playing

Which is fine if LiV allow it. Doesn’t mean the PGAT have to.

Same as if one of our competitors allowed contractors to work for other companies wouldn’t mean we had to.

 

[Swango1980]

No it isn't. You claim you've never watched LIV but are obsessed with it. How is that weakening the game of golf? The fact it's got you and many others so triggered validates it's very existence.
This thread backs that up.


The only thing it's weakened is the value of the subscription packages some of you pay to watch elite golf on Sky etc.

Absolute rubbish. Of course I have interest in it, as it directly impacts the game I watch. It has taken several big names away from PGA.

You seem to have a lot to say about the PGA Tour and DP World Tour. Ate you obsessed with them?

I never said I didn't watch LIV. I watched a little of the first event. I gave my feedback on it at the time. I hated it. It felt like a highlights program, the team event was abysmal and it showed a lot of uninteresting golfers.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Westwood ?!? ??



What will you do next year when you need to pay a subscription to watch LIV

Come round your house and watch through your window ?

 

[pokerjoke]

You've answered a large reason why many hate LIV, well done. It's existence weakens the fields in the elite golf we already have, whilst the LIV fields are also weak.

It is weakening the game, not strengthening it.

How does having 2 ways of watching golf weaken golf?
What is does is weaken the PGA field,although it’s still very strong.
Liv was weak but it’s getting stronger and has every tournament so far.
Both tours will stabilise again and we will be able to watch both.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Come round your house and watch through your window ?

?‍ It’s certainly not something i would pay for ?

But I’m guessing the answer avoids it - LIV are looking for a media deal , that’s going to involve the media company looking to recover costs

Right now millions are happy to pay for multi sport subscriptions and with the golf subscription comes with all the majors etc

How many people are going to pay to watch the LIV events on a media source - when right now the levels watching it for free are low

 

[evemccc]

Everyone knows that every single PGA or indeed ET event doesn’t always have the top players in them - it’s not the same field every week which is why there are so many different winners each season.

Would it not get a bit boring to see the same players every event ? Right now LIV is moving towards a two man show every event - Cam Smith and DJ ? Will that not start to get a bit boring just having the same two standout players fighting it out every event ?

And right now it’s great to see Willett doing well in the US

But I believe you (or others) used the idea of the best players playing together as a reason against the splintering of pro golf through LIV

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But I believe you (or others) used the idea of the best players playing together as a reason against the splintering of pro golf through LIV

I certainly wouldn’t want to see the same top 50 guys play week in week out.

Always have to see a mixture through the season and full fields where it could be the world number 1 or the world 200 who has a chance of winning. Whilst Woods was stunning as a player when he was dominating it was boring.

 

[doublebogey7]

Is there a PGA event on this weekend? (I know there is - Willett is leading, who ironically wouldn't even be there if LIV didn't exist). Maybe that's an indication of how weak some of these PGA events are?

I think everyone would agree that some PGAT events don't have the strongest of fields. But they are providing playing opportunities almost every week of the year to those that meet the qualifying criteria all within a commercially viable framework. LiV events, on the other hand, provide employment opportunities to a limited field of around 1/3 that of the PGAT tour for a mamimum of 14 weeks of the year and all of them are pretty poor in their field make up in comparison to the top PGAT and DP tour events.

 

[BrianM]

I think everyone would agree that some PGAT events don't have the strongest of fields. But they are providing playing opportunities almost every week of the year to those that meet the qualifying criteria all within a commercially viable framework. LiV events, on the other hand, provide employment opportunities to a limited field of around 1/3 that of the PGAT tour for a mamimum of 14 weeks of the year and all of them are pretty poor in their field make up in comparison to the top PGAT and DP tour events.

But can businesses change and push on to make a better product, the DPWT have lost out to a better business product (PGA) more money, the circle of life, regardless of our own opinions on who’s got enough.
We need competition for fairness, anyone with half a brain knows DJ, CamSmith, maybe BDC & Patrick Reed are world class.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

But can businesses change and push on to make a better product, the DPWT have lost out to a better business product (PGA) more money, the circle of life, regardless of our own opinions on who’s got enough.
We need competition for fairness, anyone with half a brain knows DJ, CamSmith, maybe BDC & Patrick Reed are world class.

They are world class, but they only play against each other plus a bunch of nobodies , rather than all the rest of the best in the world.