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Jacko_G
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Not giving free passage to the top 10 year on year to devalue your product further each year. That is the biggest decision that would never have been agreed to under previous regimes.
Lunacy.
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Who replaces those ten ? Players coming through from the Tour School and those ten don’t have to take it up , and they could be back in a year and it’s highly likely the top players would have moved anyway - it’s going to improve the likes of MacIntyre as players by playing alongside all the best in the world and no better preparation for the majors
There is also the chance for PGA players to come across
What else could they have done , that’s part of getting an alliance between the two - you can focus on that one issue where as the players and many other can focus on all the other improvements made toward the ET
But certainly would be interested in finding out what could have been done differently to try and improve the fortunes of the ET which we’re going rapidly downhill under those previous regimes you allude too
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
56k watching this last night.
Theres no chance of 800million deals for teams for those kinds of numbers.
There can be talk of growing the game and getting a new audience. I wager the majority of people watching are older golf fans looking to see their old favourites play.
Where are all these new viewers?
Theres no chance of 800million deals for teams for those kinds of numbers.
There can be talk of growing the game and getting a new audience. I wager the majority of people watching are older golf fans looking to see their old favourites play.
Where are all these new viewers?
doublebogey7
Head Pro
So how could Pelley have stopped it even if he had wanted to? The rules for Qualifying for a tour are in the hands of that tour, if the PGAT decide one of the rules would be to finish top 10 on another tour, I don't see how that other tour could stop it. Better to agree and get concessions in return than to sit on your hands waiting for t just to happen.
Jacko_G
Blackballed
PGA - we're losing some guys to LIV let's try and plug it by making it easier to poach the best talent from other tours. I know we'll tell Pelley we're taking his best. Great idea he'll agree to that without a fight.
No smoke without fire - there are rumours of disheartened players and ex Ryder Cup captains questioning his decisions. He's firefighting as it is.
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So what would someone else had done differently since 2015 ?
Under the previous regime tournaments were being lost due to a lack of sponsorship
Players already jumping ship as soon as they could
Are you just concentrating on those ten players that gain Tour cards - what about all the other improvements made over the last 7 years
And the two players vocal about the changes - Westwood and Garcia ?! Same Garcia and Westwood who took up PGA membership whenever they could and the same players who jumped ship to LIV
Jacko_G
Blackballed
Every regime has had tournaments lost due to sponsorship and every regime has had new tournaments due to new sponsorship opportunities.
Gaining and losing is no consequence of who is running the Tour, its financial, economical and political factors that decide or effect sponsorship. Even back in the days of B&H and other tobacco sponsorships.
Undervaluing and selling yourself to side with the PGA over a perceived threat by Liv while weakening your product is laughable.
Swango1980
Well-known member
For me, 100% yes. I'm not saying Westwood's collapse would not have hurt. But, it would have simply hurt in the same way it would hurt me collapsing in a monthly medal, and losing out on a bit more prize money to be spent in pro shop. Obviously might hurt a bit more than that, as he has people watching him and so his collapse is very public, in comparison.
But Willet's collapse has other things at stake, that are simply not relevant in Westwood's case.
If, in Charity Aid, England conceded a last minute losing goal to Germany, of course it would be a bummer for the English players and fans. But, it wouldn't really hurt that much. Yet, if it was in the World Cup final, I'd be willing to bet it would hurt much much much more. Just another game of football, yet nothing alike in terms of engagement with fans.
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When they lost tobacco sponsership the tour events still kept going - the ET has never and never will be able to compete with the PGAT , any top players that wants to win and challenge for the majors consistently will be moving to the PGAT
The alliance with the PGAT started in 2021 before LIV came around
https://www.europeantour.com/dpworl...ounce-details-of-historic-strategic-alliance/
What else could the ET do ? It doesn’t have the backing or standing on its own , if the players don’t go to the PGA then they go to LIV
So what should they have done
It’s ok to constantly be critical of the decision but what’s alternative
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
I've genuinely no idea on the numbers or how they'd be worked out, but do believe the "not on tv" thing is largely a UK & USA conversation. Think it has been on tv in quite a few countries. Edit, link below..
https://www.livgolf.com/how-to-watch
Is also on the website and FB, expect probably they don't show on the YT numbers either.
Those deal numbers do sound too high though ?
evemccc
Well-known member
How is that different to all of the Dubai and UAE-backed sports events for the last 20 years?
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
So what did you do on the day of the queens funeral?
Same thing as I do every day,argue with people on social media about LIV.
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Same thing as I do every day,argue with people on social media about LIV.
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The last 2 LIV events have really stepped up as a viewing experience and quality of product..
I committed to watching all 3 rounds of the last 2 events which is easier to do with a shotgun start (Less Time)
The standard of golf has been top draw which couldn't be said for the first few events to be honest.
Love the fact they didn't water the greens before the final day so they firmed up and made it really tough if you missed the fairway and not target golf like you tend to get in the USA events
The reason for the better experience is simply the improvement in the overall quality of the field, more top players and less players you haven't heard of.
Also the big names of BDC and Phil M are starting to get back nearer to their best, Brooks is still struggling a bit.
Peter Uihlein who I have never heard of really held his own yesterday playing with DJ and Cam Smith for a fantastic 2nd place, fair play to him and that cheque changes his life I would have thought.
Dare I say I'm starting to get my head round the team format and last night really wanted anyone but the 4 aces to win again.
The team format is great for keeping players focused and playing for something even when they are well out of contention for the individual prize which I think is a really good thing.
Also having watched the last 2 events these guys are not going through the motions, they want to win these events as much as the PGA Tour events because they are professional sportsman.
If you took time to watch a whole event you would see that clear as day..
I totally understand its not for everyone but I have to say I have really enjoyed watching it and only see the field and product getting stronger.
I committed to watching all 3 rounds of the last 2 events which is easier to do with a shotgun start (Less Time)
The standard of golf has been top draw which couldn't be said for the first few events to be honest.
Love the fact they didn't water the greens before the final day so they firmed up and made it really tough if you missed the fairway and not target golf like you tend to get in the USA events
The reason for the better experience is simply the improvement in the overall quality of the field, more top players and less players you haven't heard of.
Also the big names of BDC and Phil M are starting to get back nearer to their best, Brooks is still struggling a bit.
Peter Uihlein who I have never heard of really held his own yesterday playing with DJ and Cam Smith for a fantastic 2nd place, fair play to him and that cheque changes his life I would have thought.
Dare I say I'm starting to get my head round the team format and last night really wanted anyone but the 4 aces to win again.
The team format is great for keeping players focused and playing for something even when they are well out of contention for the individual prize which I think is a really good thing.
Also having watched the last 2 events these guys are not going through the motions, they want to win these events as much as the PGA Tour events because they are professional sportsman.
If you took time to watch a whole event you would see that clear as day..
I totally understand its not for everyone but I have to say I have really enjoyed watching it and only see the field and product getting stronger.
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Viewing figures going down suggests there isn’t much appetite for louder golf.
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Yet the crowds at the events are going up dramatically.
Reports say they have signed a TV contract with the Fox Sports Network..
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pokerjoke
Money List Winner
Can anyone find a post from a few years back when LP absolutely slated Pelley.
Now all of a sudden he’s the saviour ??
In the context of being a viable, entertaining, and competitive golf tour.
Its no different.
