LIV Golf

[Mel Smooth]

Without doing a thorough check, I think there's only one LIV event that has beeon in the middle of the night in the USA this year - and that would be Jeddah.

The beauty of a shotgun start is the flexibility it gives over the daily schedule.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

All well and good but how do the players progress? Won't it become a closed shop to the top 50-70 guys and leave the rest on an underfunded and under sponsored DP world tour or equivalent on each tour around the world. Where is the break through coming from and while the like of Adberg will always smash the glass ceiling how hard will it be for most others especially coming off a challenge tour, if these even exist, to make a mark and get the big pay day. Where is the incentives for those at the lower end of the top tour other than to pick up the cash. Doesn't this become LIV by another name

 

[Mel Smooth]

Eamon Lynch was hammering Tiger yesterday - now Chamblee saying that the tour have to do a deal with the PIF - a big turnaround from where they both were a year or so ago,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1788874026233803069

 

[Fore Right]

Does this guy bring up a good point on The Golf Channel (Watch Video)
Did the PGA Tour get complacent due to their dominant position ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1790223455800938713

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Does this guy bring up a good point on The Golf Channel (Watch Video)
Did the PGA Tour get complacent due to their dominant position ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1790223455800938713

It doesn’t matter what the PGAT or indeed any tour does

Money talks

Money talked when all the top Europeans, Asians and Australians went to the PGAT

Players went to LIV because of the vast amounts of money being offered either in guarentee money or massive prize money

If someone else came alone and offer even more money than LIV then players would jump there


It’s no different in any sport - players will go where they get offered the most amount of money

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It’s no different in any sport - players will go where they get offered the most amount of money

Is that really true. I would say there are a lot who have more integrity. Rory was very clear about not joining and there have been others for whom a legacy especially in the majors is integral to their golf DNA. If it was the case in football why isn't everyone off to Saudi?

 

[PJ87]

Is that really true. I would say there are a lot who have more integrity. Rory was very clear about not joining and there have been others for whom a legacy especially in the majors is integral to their golf DNA. If it was the case in football why isn't everyone off to Saudi?

Football is slightly different because you have to actually move

Players going to Liv makes sense, they just adjust their schedules to fit

Footballers and family can be the difference between settlement at the club / country

Rice wouldn't leave London, it's why he went arsenal and not city

 

[Mel Smooth]

Does this guy bring up a good point on The Golf Channel (Watch Video)
Did the PGA Tour get complacent due to their dominant position ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1790223455800938713

The solution to the problem was there for all to see 2 years back.

Unfortunately the PGAT thought they could come out victorious by using any means possible to overcome the threat of PIF investment - but as has been said multiple times - the money always wins.
We've now got a situation where a golfer - who has little recognizable businesses acumen at this level - seems to be calling the shots over the PGAT - he's up against/negotiating with a country who's business is business.
I still don't see any evolution of the tour on the back of the SSG investment, and I don't see how it competes as the game develops globally - but maybe the PGAT are comfortable with that - a domestic tour with some of the best players in the world. It'll work but it would sure look a lot better if some of the LIV guys were popping up at events, aand no doubt, the LIV series would gain more traction with a few of the PGAT guys taking part.

We've seen a couple of "pundits" making some extraordinary statements yet again today - at a major, not even a PGAT event. As long as people are falling for their rhetoric we can assume we have a long way to go to find a peaceful outcome to this.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Rory wants an international tour, and you can see he want's that to come under (at least partly) the PGAT umbrella.

No hiding his disappointment here that Jimmy Dunne has stepped away, and he obviously doesn't have much confidence that those running the PGAT have the will to get a deal done.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1790797340694950029

 

[Arthur Wedge]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1790853440723099993

Always been a lot of noise about 54 holes and no cut etc been a stopper but it’s been said a few times that the main reason for not getting points is the closed shop and the potential collusion between single play and team play during the same tournament

 

[Fore Right]

Current positions of Liv Golfers who made the Cut at the PGA Championship

Surprised to see Brooks fall away yesterday.

 

[Fore Right]

Pretty incredible that the world no 124 came 2nd in a major and looked like one of the best players in the world.

Congrats Xander
And
Bryson is box office..

 

[IanM]

He is one of the best players in the world. No one doubts that.

But if folk want to do their own thing, in return for huge sums of cash up front, rankings become almost meaningless.

But, only 6 made the cut and only one contended. If you think that's a good week for Liv, fair enough

 

[Arthur Wedge]

He is one of the best players in the world. No one doubts that.

But if folk want to do their own thing, in return for huge sums of cash up front, rankings become almost meaningless.

But, only 6 made the cut and only one contended. If you think that's a good week for Liv, fair enough

I believe it was 11 that made the cut

But the 4 days shouldn’t have had any to do with LIV

It is prob the one reason why some wouldn’t have wanted BDC to win because the Liv accounts across social media would have been unbearable

And posting about his ranking straight away is a perfect example

He is 124 because that’s how many points he has earned whilst playing in “eligible” events (up to 35 now )

 

[Mel Smooth]

The most important thing to note from the result is Xanders win gives him 5 years of major exemptions.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Went under the radar a little this one but Richard Bland has been invited to the senior PGA Championship this week at Harbor Shores. Well deserved for a player who is the epitome of "you're never too old".

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I believe it was 11 that made the cut

But the 4 days shouldn’t have had any to do with LIV

It is prob the one reason why some wouldn’t have wanted BDC to win because the Liv accounts across social media would have been unbearable

And posting about his ranking straight away is a perfect example

He is 124 because that’s how many points he has earned whilst playing in “eligible” events (up to 35 now )

To be fair, had the LIV players bombed this week then exactly the same would have happened with the anti Liv accounts. No side in this can take the high ground in terms of boasts or giving grief to the other side. Both are equally at fault, it's become tribal.

 

[Singlefiguregokfer]

Pretty incredible that the world no 124 came 2nd in a major and looked like one of the best players in the world.

Congrats Xander
And
Bryson is box office..

You should see what the world 396 did at the Open once

 

[Singlefiguregokfer]

Current positions of Liv Golfers who made the Cut at the PGA Championship

Surprised to see Brooks fall away yesterday.

Good result for Kaymer considering he doesn’t seem to do much good these days

 

[Arthur Wedge]

To be fair, had the LIV players bombed this week then exactly the same would have happened with the anti Liv accounts. No side in this can take the high ground in terms of boasts or giving grief to the other side. Both are equally at fault, it's become tribal.

It’s getting worse

The last 4 days were horrific on social media

It’s been a major - it should transcend above any other tour , when someone is playing there it doesn’t matter what tour they are on

If anything the major showed that these guys need to playing together on one main tour

LIV’s big “weapon” is those social media accounts , they are relentless, and who knows how many are associated or paid by the tour but they are being countered by a good number of accounts on the other side that have been created and it’s not a good look for either

For many now most won’t bother to watch golf until the US Open , that’s the state of tour golf now