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This is a solid summation of why people ate being misled on what rates as success for LIV


#LIVGolf isn’t going to have PGA Tour equivalent US TV ratings this year, next year, or in the years after that.

We can learn a lot more about the people saying it’s a definitive failure because of that than we can about LIV Golf.

The tours ratings are the cornerstone of their product. The PGA Tour hosts 44 events per year with hundreds of sponsors and nearly half of their tournament related revenue comes from their TV deal. This revenue, coupled with sponsor deals, rely heavily on their tv ratings.

They have the same broadcast windows, on the same channels, showing what is largely the same product, for decades. They’ve built their product and scheduled their tournaments around maximizing the US TV viewership. Their entire model depends on it. 40+ times a year for years on end they are in the exact same broadcast windows on the exact same channels.

That’s not the case with LIV. They aren’t trying to maximize US TV viewership, the schedule would look vastly different if they were. Is it some part of the equation? Do they want viewership in the US to increase? Sure, of course they do, but it’s not their model and if it isn’t happening yet it’s not a sign they’ve failed. They’re leveraging international marketing budgets, utilizing capital from tourism boards, broadcasting in as many countries as possible to maximize integrated advertising. None of the LIV Golf model relies on traditional US viewership and that’s why they haven’t built the product around maximizing that.

After seeing three years of comparing the PGA Tour’s and LIV Golf’s viewership numbers it’s clear it’s just become a media strategy. One entity has had the same exact broadcast windows 40+ times a year for decades on end and works tirelessly to maximize viewership within those. The other hosts 14 events sprinkled throughout the year in varying timezones broadcasting on different channels.

Miami is LIV Golf’s next event, the first event broadcasting on network TV in traditional the traditional golf viewing period for the US. The numbers will be less than the PGA Tours from that week. Because it’s a different product and a different model.

Everybody will be using this as definitive proof of LIV Golf’s failure, ignoring everything I just stated above. When they do this, I like to think about why they so badly want me to believe them. Think about why they’re so adamant in their proclamations, why they never contextualize or discuss any of the differentiators in the two entities. Stop falling for the “Look at this thing! They’re failing! We’re doing great and they’re dying!” If all of that were true they wouldn’t feel the need to scream it from the rooftops anytime they got a split second of airtime.

 
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This is a solid summation of why people ate being misled on what rates as success for LIV


#LIVGolf isn’t going to have PGA Tour equivalent US TV ratings this year, next year, or in the years after that.

We can learn a lot more about the people saying it’s a definitive failure because of that than we can about LIV Golf.

The tours ratings are the cornerstone of their product. The PGA Tour hosts 44 events per year with hundreds of sponsors and nearly half of their tournament related revenue comes from their TV deal. This revenue, coupled with sponsor deals, rely heavily on their tv ratings.

They have the same broadcast windows, on the same channels, showing what is largely the same product, for decades. They’ve built their product and scheduled their tournaments around maximizing the US TV viewership. Their entire model depends on it. 40+ times a year for years on end they are in the exact same broadcast windows on the exact same channels.

That’s not the case with LIV. They aren’t trying to maximize US TV viewership, the schedule would look vastly different if they were. Is it some part of the equation? Do they want viewership in the US to increase? Sure, of course they do, but it’s not their model and if it isn’t happening yet it’s not a sign they’ve failed. They’re leveraging international marketing budgets, utilizing capital from tourism boards, broadcasting in as many countries as possible to maximize integrated advertising. None of the LIV Golf model relies on traditional US viewership and that’s why they haven’t built the product around maximizing that.

After seeing three years of comparing the PGA Tour’s and LIV Golf’s viewership numbers it’s clear it’s just become a media strategy. One entity has had the same exact broadcast windows 40+ times a year for decades on end and works tirelessly to maximize viewership within those. The other hosts 14 events sprinkled throughout the year in varying timezones broadcasting on different channels.

Miami is LIV Golf’s next event, the first event broadcasting on network TV in traditional the traditional golf viewing period for the US. The numbers will be less than the PGA Tours from that week. Because it’s a different product and a different model.

Everybody will be using this as definitive proof of LIV Golf’s failure, ignoring everything I just stated above. When they do this, I like to think about why they so badly want me to believe them. Think about why they’re so adamant in their proclamations, why they never contextualize or discuss any of the differentiators in the two entities. Stop falling for the “Look at this thing! They’re failing! We’re doing great and they’re dying!” If all of that were true they wouldn’t feel the need to scream it from the rooftops anytime they got a split second of airtime.

Its a strange article, but it has a logic that is hard to dispute. Summarising - it was not LIVs goal to have a strong following in the US, therfore it has succeeded. It certainly doesnt have strong following, and bordline none at all, so on that bisis, it has succeeded very well indeed.
Well, yes, but I dont remember that ever being part of the narrative as LIV tried to sell itself. The other weakness is that apart from live spectator attendance in Adelaide, the rest of the world isnt following it either. So not sure whether that is another success for LIV, or whether that would be classed as a failure. The article doesnt go there.

At the moment, the premise of LIV, minus the teams, is fine. But it just failed to get the golfers to match the hype. And so it is in a phase of fake it till you make it. Putting up with people calling out the fake for what it is, is just soemthing LIV has to live with to see whether it does indeed make it, dies through lack of interest, or is just pulled in a PIF/PGAT deal where its raison d'etre evaporates.
 
This is the place for it:

But yes, the very issue here with mentions of LIV outside this thread go off the rails. Its the same one LIV is having in the mainstream media and for broadcasting : its golf in itself just isnt taken seriously yet. Any pure discussion of the golf, its players, or its tournaments, just comes across as fake and insincere, and only a handful at anyone time discuss it as if it were a real tour. Everyone else oiles in on the easy criticism. It just still has too big a credibility problem to exist outside its own bubble without constant ridicule.
This is why it does need ringfencing. It cannot stand on its own two feet for real golf discussion. Until LIV solves its handful of key issues, prime among them, having a genuine top flight field - or else stop behaving as if it does which just makes it look silly - this will not change. Solve the issues though, and they might have a product. From PIFs point of view though, simply buying into the PGAT looks a much simpler solution than trying to flog a dead horse that LIV still remains.
Not sure if you wish for a debate. Your posts on this subject generally seem heavy with your opinions, but not presented as such - kind of reminds me of poster backsticks 🤔

Here's some other opinions:
Some people like watching all sorts of golf, it does have to be one or the other.
Some people like having an option other than Sky Sports for golf.
Some people may find the field acceptable. (and really wouldn't welcome it being just the 'top 54').
Some people quite like a change from the norm for a few weeks a year.

I find it easy to mostly ignore the posturing from both 'sides' - bit like boxers promoting their fights, plenty of exaggeration etc.

Would the liv management like a stronger field - yeah I expect so.
Would they want more traction in certain markets - yeah I expect so.
Have they made mistakes - definitely.

I wouldn't presume to know where they are in the cycle/plan - last chance saloon, or not far off. But it hasn't seemed all doom & gloom recently.

I would agree that Brooks & Bryson do potentially hold some keys in the short term. Always thought attracting & keeping the better US players was an interesting dynamic. Seemed easier to be attractive to non US players.
 
See this won't register on the TV viewing figures, but it's still very much part of the LIV golf package.


Bryan bros, Luke Kwon, Rick Shiels - and some world class golfers - it might draw a few views.


It’s not really professional game as a sport though is it

You tube golfers have been getting views in the millions for a while now , it’s like the hero challenges etc

it’s no different than the Sideman having a charity football match

It’s good entertainment and will have people watching
 
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