pokerjoke
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I thought you said Rory would never go across,now you’re saying if.
LIV Golf
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PJ87
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Take a day off from the sniping comments - they add nothing to the thread but it’s becoming standard with you
Ethan
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Am I upsetting you by not agreeing with all of your many, many posts on Saudi?
Bryson's golf swing is not unique. He pulls the club back and swings it at the ball. No more unique than any of the other leading players, precisely none of which use one length clubs.
Since you are anxious to point out what you think I don't know, how do you know that BdC wouldn't perform better if he has conventional length wedges? How are you certain he has tested this and chosen it for performance rather than contrariness or brand? How do you know he has evaluated his swing more than most other people? I have seen quite a few examples on TV where his short game finesse was questionable, possibly because of the compensations needed to make his wedges the same length as his 4 iron.
Thinking outside of the box is a trite cliche often used to explain odd and irrational behaviour.
He can switch to a bag full of garden tools for all I care, but I won't conclude it must be due to a metaphysical elevation of consciousness to a higher astral plane that others have failed to achieve.
evemccc
Well-known member
I think you’re missing the point - ‘it’s what works for him’ - and yes - I am 100% certain that someone who is an elite pro golfer (and has all the access to equipment and expertise that brings) does know what works for him
He’s won a major, and several PGA Tour events, and earned millions — I don’t think he has to justify or prove anything about his equipment
Swango1980
Well-known member
I don't even know why you mentioned the Saudis, completely irrelevant. Just throwing in a deflecting comment as you know you don't have much of a leg to stand on in the specific debate regarding Bryson's swing.
His swing is not unique because he pulls the club back and swings at the ball? That sentence in itself highlights you have no clue about the golf swing. It is about as true as saying the Ferrari F1 car is no different to a Ford Focus road car, because they both have 4 wheels and drive from one point to another. Ridiculous argument.
I know he has tested his swing more than most people, if you include all golfers including experts like yourself. Compared to other professionals, absolutely no idea. But, the fact he has tried something completely different would suggest a lot of work has gone on behind the scenes. I am also making a fairly reasonable assumption that he and his people want to ensure he is the best golfer he can possibly be, and seek marginal gains to compete with the other best players in the world. As I don't stand over his shoulder 24 hours a day, I am going to say that is a fair assumption. Maybe you have the benefit of being present when he does this, but I am going to rule that out as a possibility.
I have seen plenty of professionals using standard length clubs who have a questionable short game, long game, mid game, etc. I'm not silly enough to believe that using the perfect fit clubs for an individual golfer will suddenly make them the perfect golfer in all aspects of their game. If regular sized clubs were better for his short game, why doesn't he use them? He could at least put a few regular wedges in his bag, along with all the same length irons for his full shots.
Ethan
Money List Winner
"Experts like yourself". That is a rather bitchy and unnecessary comment, especially when you are trying to show you have insight into the uniqueness of BdC's swing and the way he has rigorously tested it above all others.
Anyway, I don't think you even understood what I said. The question is whether BdC has tested his swing more than his peers. It is imbecilic to compare him on that question to the average amateur golfer, such as me, and I didn't compare him to you either. If swings are unique, they are all unique, and in that regard BdC's swing is not some rare outlier in which the laws of physics are suspended, or that is so much different from his peers, yes peers, not me. And the physics of golf club design and golf ball launch mean that there is a reason why clubs have different lengths for different lofts and why there are drawbacks to one length clubs and therefore why no other leading player, all of whom have been analysed with lasers, slo-mo cameras and the like, use one length.
"I'm not silly enough to believe that using the perfect fit clubs for an individual golfer will suddenly make them the perfect golfer in all aspects of their game." Well, you appear to be silly enough to think that someone, probably me, suggested otherwise.
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PJ87
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Swango1980
Well-known member
Thank goodness
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Bryson has a very good short game? Every pro mucks up shots with every club
He is also very underrated with his putter
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Well, it's got Alan Shipnucks approval.
https://firepitcollective.com/business-as-usual/
HEMEL HEMPSTEAD, England — In the end, it all felt so…routine? One of the most freighted days in the recent history of the sport began with trumpets blaring and was interrupted by a trans-Atlantic saber-rattling, but across the grounds at Centurion Club, a rather normal golf tournament broke out on Thursday. Poulter preened, Sergio pouted, Dustin strutted, Phil grinned and a surprisingly robust crowd spooned it all up. For all the angst created by LIV Golf—more specifically, by the taint of its Saudi money—and all the lip service paid to its (modest) innovations, the inaugural tournament felt pretty much like a run-of-the-mill event on the European or PGA Tour.
For LIV, that has to be considered a monumental achievement.
“You could feel it’s different,” first-round leader Charl Schwartzel said of the much-ballyhooed shotgun start. “I was standing on the 3rd tee box for about 10 minutes, and there was nobody with me. And eventually I took my phone out and I was phoning Graeme [McDowell]. I said, ‘Graeme, mate, where are you? Am I on the right tee box?’ That made it very different for me than what you would be used to, being announced on the 1st tee. But then once you got going, it was just golf for me.”
At 2:15 p.m., just before the first shot was struck, a military flyover crowded the gunmetal-gray skies, but such theatrics were wholly unnecessary for one simple reason: Phil Mickelson was teeing it up again. It was his dalliance with LIV that had sent the Hall of Famer into a four-month exile. His return to public life began with an awkward but occasionally revealing pre-tournament press conference: It was significant and commendable that Mickelson spoke of his ongoing battle with a gambling addiction; the anecdotal evidence had long suggested he had a problem, but publicly taking ownership required courage and humility. He also walked back his previous callous comments about Saudi atrocities. Late-period Phil had become something of a cartoon character, with the aviator sunglasses, hair dye and all the crowing about his calves and the bombs he was hitting off the tee. Even with his carefully parsed press conference words, Mickelson displayed a little less hubris and a little more humanity.
And during the first round, he seemed visibly relieved to re-enter his sanctuary between the ropes. On the first drive of the rest of his life, Mickelson roasted one down the middle, and he grinded with an intensity that belied the tournament’s lack of gravitas. Precise iron play overcame some sloppy driving and rusty putting, and Mickelson’s opening 69 put him in a tie for seventh, four strokes back of Schwartzel. Mickelson competed with the determination of a man who knows that how he will be remembered will depend in part on the success of a renegade tour he helped launch. Is his name destined to be spoken with reverence like Curt Flood’s, as an agent of change who reshaped the sports landscape? Or will this last act of Mickelson’s career evoke Jake LaMotta in Las Vegas, as a past-his-prime palooka serving as a curiosity for fans who are drawn by spectacle and not sport? When the round was over, Mickelson couldn’t hide his relief. (Deliverance was the overriding emotion of the day, as a couple of high-ranking Saudi dignitaries dispensed plenty of celebratory hugs throughout the round.) “I really enjoyed today,” Mickelson said. “It was fun for me to get back out playing. It’s a very cool energy here.”
Mickelson’s group attracted by far the biggest gallery of the day, though it surely helped that he was playing alongside Dustin Johnson; at 15 in the OWGR, DJ is the highest-ranked player in the 48-man field. The crowd was unmoored, especially early in the round, with many fans simply ducking under the ropes to get closer to the action. In a shallow field, the more established players needed to deliver for LIV, and Johnson fought his way to a 69 despite push-slicing a drive O.B. on the 7th hole. Along with Mickelson and Schwartzel, that’s three Masters champions on the leaderboard. Meanwhile, the top eight spots at the PGA Tour’s concurrent Canadian Open are being held down by Wyndham Clark, Matt Fitzpatrick, Doug Ghim, Harold Varner, Mac Hughes, Lee Hodges, Tony Finau and some dude named McIlroy. The lack of starpower at the top of the leaderboard illustrates what a threat LIV has already become to the PGA Tour, so it was no surprise that an hour after the first round commenced in England, an email leaked in which Tour commissioner Jay Monahan informed his constituents he was suspending the 17 Tour members who teed it up for LIV. This is the first gambit in what promises to be a long, complicated, legalistic battle that threatens to blow up the world order of professional golf. The ex-communicated didn’t learn their fate until stepping off the course. Ian Poulter was among those who said he was ready to fight. “I’ve done nothing wrong,” he maintained.
When it comes to LIV, very little is black-and-white. But after more than a year of talk and speculation and misdirection, one thing is abundantly clear: This new renegade tour is the real thing.
https://firepitcollective.com/business-as-usual/
HEMEL HEMPSTEAD, England — In the end, it all felt so…routine? One of the most freighted days in the recent history of the sport began with trumpets blaring and was interrupted by a trans-Atlantic saber-rattling, but across the grounds at Centurion Club, a rather normal golf tournament broke out on Thursday. Poulter preened, Sergio pouted, Dustin strutted, Phil grinned and a surprisingly robust crowd spooned it all up. For all the angst created by LIV Golf—more specifically, by the taint of its Saudi money—and all the lip service paid to its (modest) innovations, the inaugural tournament felt pretty much like a run-of-the-mill event on the European or PGA Tour.
For LIV, that has to be considered a monumental achievement.
“You could feel it’s different,” first-round leader Charl Schwartzel said of the much-ballyhooed shotgun start. “I was standing on the 3rd tee box for about 10 minutes, and there was nobody with me. And eventually I took my phone out and I was phoning Graeme [McDowell]. I said, ‘Graeme, mate, where are you? Am I on the right tee box?’ That made it very different for me than what you would be used to, being announced on the 1st tee. But then once you got going, it was just golf for me.”
At 2:15 p.m., just before the first shot was struck, a military flyover crowded the gunmetal-gray skies, but such theatrics were wholly unnecessary for one simple reason: Phil Mickelson was teeing it up again. It was his dalliance with LIV that had sent the Hall of Famer into a four-month exile. His return to public life began with an awkward but occasionally revealing pre-tournament press conference: It was significant and commendable that Mickelson spoke of his ongoing battle with a gambling addiction; the anecdotal evidence had long suggested he had a problem, but publicly taking ownership required courage and humility. He also walked back his previous callous comments about Saudi atrocities. Late-period Phil had become something of a cartoon character, with the aviator sunglasses, hair dye and all the crowing about his calves and the bombs he was hitting off the tee. Even with his carefully parsed press conference words, Mickelson displayed a little less hubris and a little more humanity.
And during the first round, he seemed visibly relieved to re-enter his sanctuary between the ropes. On the first drive of the rest of his life, Mickelson roasted one down the middle, and he grinded with an intensity that belied the tournament’s lack of gravitas. Precise iron play overcame some sloppy driving and rusty putting, and Mickelson’s opening 69 put him in a tie for seventh, four strokes back of Schwartzel. Mickelson competed with the determination of a man who knows that how he will be remembered will depend in part on the success of a renegade tour he helped launch. Is his name destined to be spoken with reverence like Curt Flood’s, as an agent of change who reshaped the sports landscape? Or will this last act of Mickelson’s career evoke Jake LaMotta in Las Vegas, as a past-his-prime palooka serving as a curiosity for fans who are drawn by spectacle and not sport? When the round was over, Mickelson couldn’t hide his relief. (Deliverance was the overriding emotion of the day, as a couple of high-ranking Saudi dignitaries dispensed plenty of celebratory hugs throughout the round.) “I really enjoyed today,” Mickelson said. “It was fun for me to get back out playing. It’s a very cool energy here.”
Mickelson’s group attracted by far the biggest gallery of the day, though it surely helped that he was playing alongside Dustin Johnson; at 15 in the OWGR, DJ is the highest-ranked player in the 48-man field. The crowd was unmoored, especially early in the round, with many fans simply ducking under the ropes to get closer to the action. In a shallow field, the more established players needed to deliver for LIV, and Johnson fought his way to a 69 despite push-slicing a drive O.B. on the 7th hole. Along with Mickelson and Schwartzel, that’s three Masters champions on the leaderboard. Meanwhile, the top eight spots at the PGA Tour’s concurrent Canadian Open are being held down by Wyndham Clark, Matt Fitzpatrick, Doug Ghim, Harold Varner, Mac Hughes, Lee Hodges, Tony Finau and some dude named McIlroy. The lack of starpower at the top of the leaderboard illustrates what a threat LIV has already become to the PGA Tour, so it was no surprise that an hour after the first round commenced in England, an email leaked in which Tour commissioner Jay Monahan informed his constituents he was suspending the 17 Tour members who teed it up for LIV. This is the first gambit in what promises to be a long, complicated, legalistic battle that threatens to blow up the world order of professional golf. The ex-communicated didn’t learn their fate until stepping off the course. Ian Poulter was among those who said he was ready to fight. “I’ve done nothing wrong,” he maintained.
When it comes to LIV, very little is black-and-white. But after more than a year of talk and speculation and misdirection, one thing is abundantly clear: This new renegade tour is the real thing.
Barking_Mad
Well-known member
Bryson - SG Around the Green
2017 - 109th
2018 - 78th
2019 - 115th
2020 - 111th
2021 - 146th
2022 - n/a
Bryson - SG Putting
2017 - 145th
2018 - 32nd
2019 - 28th
2020 - 10th
2021 - 20th
2022 - n/a
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
What's his tee to green strokes gained? As more greens hit in reg means less shots round the green
I mean he was leading eagles last year
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Is the same Alan Shipnuck that got thrown out of PhillyMick's presser by Greg's heavies later in the day...?
Mel Smooth
Hacker
The very same.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
I have no skin in the argument, just an observation.
From last year's PGA Tour PIP thingy if we exclude TW as he's not playing on any tour, then it is looking like 4 from 9 have or are jumping (for now)
From last year's PGA Tour PIP thingy if we exclude TW as he's not playing on any tour, then it is looking like 4 from 9 have or are jumping (for now)
Barking_Mad
Well-known member
Bryson: SG Approach
2017 - 114th
2018 - 12th
2019 - 54th
2020 - 12th
2021 - 53rd
2022 - n/a
Barking_Mad
Well-known member
Bryson - SG Tee to Green
2017 - 65th
2018 - 11th
2019 - 37th
2020 - 19th
2021 - 5th
2022 - n/a
2017 - 65th
2018 - 11th
2019 - 37th
2020 - 19th
2021 - 5th
2022 - n/a
Barking_Mad
Well-known member
Bryson - GIR %
2017 - 105th
2018 - 25th
2019 - 113th
2020 - 55th
2021 - 63rd
2022 - n/a
2017 - 105th
2018 - 25th
2019 - 113th
2020 - 55th
2021 - 63rd
2022 - n/a
