wjemather
Well-known member
This is a bad analogy.
Since there isn't a single Rule of Golf that is different on LIV than on any other tour, they are playing exactly the same game. There is also nothing mystical about 72 holes.
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Since there isn't a single Rule of Golf that is different on LIV than on any other tour, they are playing exactly the same game. There is also nothing mystical about 72 holes.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
It's what the other, established Tours play.
LiV plays a shorter version...
Tell me I'm wrong...
Mel Smooth
Hacker
I don't think anybody would say that signing an amateur is as impressive as signing a top ranked pro, however, feeding young emerging talent into any tour is vitally important to it's success - so it is essential.
I did mention Wyndham Clark earlier, you know, another current major holder - but the LIV critics have skimmed over that one.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Golf is a game played regularly over 18 holes or sums of that, the rest is semantics.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Are you saying I'm wrong?
Mel Smooth
Hacker
Are you saying the golf on LIV is different to the golf on any other tour?
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Read the post...LIV play a shortened version compared to the other established Tours.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
The average number of rounds played in a PGAT/DPWT/Asian Tour etc event is approximately equal to 3, is it not?
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
And right there is LIVs biggest problem....deflection
Answering a question with a question
You do it all the time.
Hey..Harman won a Major too last year.....can you take him too.......
Answering a question with a question
You do it all the time.
Hey..Harman won a Major too last year.....can you take him too.......
Maybe assign only a percentage of the ranking points, e.g. if a PGAT event has 100 points, why not allocate 75 points for a LIV event. It might even make some LIV players rethink there position if their ranking is falling away.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
LIV's biggest problem is people challenging those that claim it isn't the same golf as is being played on conventional tours. That's an interesting take.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
You are correct.
But to suggest that matters in a tangible way seems like deflection ...
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You did. He’s not a LiV player yet, so ant this point just another name amongst many being thrown around. And a major champion he may be, but he’s not exactly a needle mover is he?
wjemather
Well-known member
Ok, you're wrong.
They're not playing par-3 or pitch-and-putt courses, or playing any other variation of golf that demands different skills to be successful. This is why your cricket analogy is a bad one.
They're playing exactly the same game, by the same rules, on the same standard of golf course. 54/72 holes is not a meaningful difference, and all known ranking systems include both without issue.
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There is nothing stopping another golf tour - anyone is free to create a tour and ask players to join and create rules etc etc
But there is also other areas where rules have been set that other golf tours follow to gain things like - ranking points or entry into majors etc - if a new tour wants to get either of those then they follow the same criteria as others
This new tour as an example want to have those points etc but don’t want to follow those guidelines - they want those guidelines to change to suit them.
LIV is along the same lines as European Super League in football or the Indian Cricket league when that was started - leagues outside the boundaries of other established leagues - nothing stopping them from being started or getting players but the other leagues etc don’t have to change their rules to allow them to fit in
What other ranking systems ? There is only one that matters - and it’s there for the majors and is used to help entry into majors and is run by the majors - any other rankings have little meaning
C7usk
Active member
I don't think it is a bad anology... Playing 54 holes, no cut is completely different to 72 holes with a cut. ( on both tours) you would take a much different approach to your round knowing you ain't going to miss the cut, or you have or have not got another 18 holes to improve your round...
AussieKB
Well-known member
Looks like Hideki should have taken the cash.
Beezerk
Money List Winner
It’s a halfway house analogy. I don’t see why the lack of cut is relevant, most of the top guys make the cut in regular tournaments anyway and all it does is keep the entire field playing for longer. Guys at the top of the leaderboard will still be playing just as hard as the next guy to get the win, much like any tournament on the PGA. The only similarity to one day cricket is the shorter format, but also like LIV in one day cricket you have some of the best players in the world going at it trying to beat each other. Now if cricketers could wear shorts then that would be a serious comparison
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No cuts , reduced fields have been happening for years - the WGCs were the top 70 only and there was no cut - don’t think that’s ever been an issue. Events that have played less than 72 holes are mainly those that are hit by weather delays or a development tour - but it’s not an issue
For the likes of the OWGR and the Major exemptions etc they aren’t an issue and there are ways to allow points to those events
The issues occur because
It’s the same players every event, it’s a closed shop with invites but every event it’s the same 48 or 52 players ,
There is a manufactured team competition going on at the same time and there is the chance for collusion which a player even admitted to not going for a shot fully because it may harm the team score
And there is very little “punishment” for playing badly - multiple players were shocking yet didn’t lose a card because they were protected - tough for someone who performs better but then gets dropped - it’s not great competition
And then there is the whole wanting the best of all the worlds - players wanted to play on a tour that offered them huge amounts of money and they played less , don’t then complain when you can no longer be afforded the rewards on offer from the other tours
If LIV was created and the players just played their events , took their money and had a nice life then I suspect many wouldn’t care - the constant slating of the PGAT and DPT and the CeOs and the majors etc and the daily nonsense from paid LIV bots has done nothing but harm tour golf to the point where it’s actually putting many off watching any golf outside the majors
And then add in the lack of awareness from players - BDC the latest going on about “wanting to big together and join together” - the split only happened because of people like him moving
Tour golf is a mess - it’s a mess driven by money , it’s a mess driven by greed of players and it’s a mess driven by a state regime wanting to buy everything - the sport wasn’t perfect before but it’s getting close to being beyond repair when it comes to the Tours
For the likes of the OWGR and the Major exemptions etc they aren’t an issue and there are ways to allow points to those events
The issues occur because
It’s the same players every event, it’s a closed shop with invites but every event it’s the same 48 or 52 players ,
There is a manufactured team competition going on at the same time and there is the chance for collusion which a player even admitted to not going for a shot fully because it may harm the team score
And there is very little “punishment” for playing badly - multiple players were shocking yet didn’t lose a card because they were protected - tough for someone who performs better but then gets dropped - it’s not great competition
And then there is the whole wanting the best of all the worlds - players wanted to play on a tour that offered them huge amounts of money and they played less , don’t then complain when you can no longer be afforded the rewards on offer from the other tours
If LIV was created and the players just played their events , took their money and had a nice life then I suspect many wouldn’t care - the constant slating of the PGAT and DPT and the CeOs and the majors etc and the daily nonsense from paid LIV bots has done nothing but harm tour golf to the point where it’s actually putting many off watching any golf outside the majors
And then add in the lack of awareness from players - BDC the latest going on about “wanting to big together and join together” - the split only happened because of people like him moving
Tour golf is a mess - it’s a mess driven by money , it’s a mess driven by greed of players and it’s a mess driven by a state regime wanting to buy everything - the sport wasn’t perfect before but it’s getting close to being beyond repair when it comes to the Tours
AussieKB
Well-known member
Might be time to stop commentating on it then....
