LIV Golf

[fenwayrich]

I think that LIV should follow American Football. Start the season early September, end in early February. Give the teams names that people can relate to (how about London, New York, Sydney, etc, or Microsoft, Google, Qantas?). Play man v man (woman v woman might be an idea!) matchplay, including betterball and alternate shot). No individual strokeplay. Lots of potential venues around the world where the weaher is perfect. At season's end revert to the traditional golf season, with the Majors and other long standing tournaments.

 

[Budds]

Nothing is structured, that was a request from the PGAT, but it isn't and wasn't agreed to by the PIF - there is no agreement in place, just an agreement to try and come to one..

You think the Saudis will agree to the guy who bailed out with anxiety recently, taking control of a new entity that will run world golf?

Both the US Senate and DOJ refer to it as an agreement, which is good enough for me. Part of that agreement was the propesed structure that I referred to.
Your comment wrt JM is, imo, beneath contempt! Having only had the cause of his absence confirmed, I wish him a speedy and complete recovery. He has seemed, to me, to have performed extremely well in the Commissioner's role and I'm not surprised that the unexpected pressure of the situation overwhelmed him. Whether he continues to head the PGAT or, eventually, the combined group is some way down the line. It wouldn't surprise me if he retires though. There seems to be no role for Greg Norman in it though.

 

[wjemather]

very great good.

It contributed to strangling of LIVs supply of players. And thus to LIVs failure as a competing tour with a future.

PIF recognised this, and so had to change tack and try to buy a chunk of ET and PGAT as a plan B to rescue the situation.

Nonsense. Almost all the players LIV were/are chasing are on either the PGAT or JGTO, or still in college. The effect on LIV of DPWT sanctions is next to zero - the only damage has been to the DPWT itself, which has missed having some of it's biggest name players competing at regular events and upset several sponsors (e.g. Porsche) as a result, particularly by banning their brand ambassadors. The current management of the DPWT is so incompetent that it is now heavily reliant on the PGAT for support in getting new sponsors.

 

[Budds]

A very great good.

It contributed to strangling of LIVs supply of players. And thus to LIVs failure as a competing tour with a future.

PIF recognised this, and so had to change tack and try to buy a chunk of ET and PGAT as a plan B to rescue the situation.

While I'm inclined to agree with the first 2 points, the 3rd is simply rubbish! It was the PGAT that had to switch to plan B. It's well documented that the cost of competing with PIF was going to bankrupt the PGAT! I don't believe PIF considered ET, except aa a source of LIV players.

 

[SteveW86]

First time looking in here for a few days, is it worth reading the last few pages or is it just the same arguments on repeat as it seems to be on this page?

 

[Budds]

First time looking in here for a few days, is it worth reading the last few pages or is it just the same arguments on repeat as it seems to be on this page?

Nah! I have to admit to being sucked in by posts that are likely simply to keep the topic on first page.

 

[Dando]

Nothing is structured, that was a request from the PGAT, but it isn't and wasn't agreed to by the PIF - there is no agreement in place, just an agreement to try and come to one..

You think the Saudis will agree to the guy who bailed out with anxiety recently, taking control of a new entity that will run world golf?

Having a dig at someone taking a break due to anxiety is a new low even for you

 

[Mel Smooth]

Having a dig at someone taking a break due to anxiety is a new low even for you

I know 100% I'm a better person than Jay Monaghan buddy.

That said, I wouldn't want his job, nor the responsibility that comes with it - because like Jay, I don't think I could handle it.

 

[paddyjk]

A few friends went to the LIV event and thoroughly enjoyed it, top class golf.

 

[Swango1980]

I know 100% I'm a better person than Jay Monaghan buddy.

That said, I wouldn't want his job, nor the responsibility that comes with it - because like Jay, I don't think I could handle it.

Mind you, a person who was 100% worse than Jay Monaghan would also claim to be a better person than Jay Monaghan, so the rest of us can take that statement with a pinch of salt

I'm not even sure what type of mature adult would feel the need to publicly have to state they are a better person than someone else!?

 

[Mel Smooth]

Mind you, a person who was 100% worse than Jay Monaghan would also claim to be a better person than Jay Monaghan, so the rest of us can take that statement with a pinch of salt

I'm not even sure what type of mature adult would feel the need to publicly have to state they are a better person than someone else!?

Funny ain’t it, this thread is littered with allegations and accusations over the morality and credibility of LIV players, employees, CEO’s and fans, yet when somebody suggests they are a better person than a man who used a terrorist attack in an attempt to protect his organisation only to later renage those views for money, a man who takes ten million dollars salary per year from a charitable organisation, a man who can’t handle the pressures of his role but won’t step down, they get called out for it…

Let’s hope there’s nothing to the stories that the PGAT covered allegations of physical abuse to protect its employees eh??

 

[Swango1980]

Funny ain’t it, this thread is littered with allegations and accusations over the morality and credibility of LIV players, employees, CEO’s and fans, yet when somebody suggests they are a better person than a man who used a terrorist attack in an attempt to protect his organisation only to later renage those views for money, a man who takes ten million dollars salary per year from a charitable organisation, a man who can’t handle the pressures of his role but won’t step down, they get called out for it…

Let’s hope there’s nothing to the stories that the PGAT covered allegations of physical abuse to protect its employees eh??

Yes, they do, and I've also questioned those that criticise the morals of LIV players, as I don't for a second believe they accept or support human rights abuses. I also don't mind you criticising the actions of Jay, I too believe he shot himself in the foot by using the families of victims of 9/11 to help his cause, and then back stab them.

Of course, I also accept that I'm not in a high public position of running a multi-million pound business, and have the pressures of acting in certain ways when it suddenly is at a high threat from a wealthy opponent. So, I've no idea what decisions I'd feel pressurised into making. I'd like to think I'd have made many better decisions, but I may have made quite a few worse decisions along the way. Hence why I'm not employed in such a job I guess. And, you know, maybe he rescues puppies and helps older people cross the road, I've no idea what sort of guy he really is. So, I'd just find it childish to start boasting that I'm a better person than someone else, even if that person has done something that will ultimately lead to them losing their job.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Funny ain’t it, this thread is littered with allegations and accusations over the morality and credibility of LIV players, employees, CEO’s and fans, yet when somebody suggests they are a better person than a man who used a terrorist attack in an attempt to protect his organisation only to later renage those views for money, a man who takes ten million dollars salary per year from a charitable organisation, a man who can’t handle the pressures of his role but won’t step down, they get called out for it…

Let’s hope there’s nothing to the stories that the PGAT covered allegations of physical abuse to protect its employees eh??

How do you square off your want for equal rights for all with your support for LiV given the source of its funding.

Was it you who also said it was poor of Rory to comment on Phil given his addiction to gambling? (Can’t remember who it was)

Whatever, having a dig at someone suffering from a mental illness (even if temporarily) is low.

 

[Budds]

I know 100% I'm a better person than Jay Monaghan buddy.

That said, I wouldn't want his job, nor the responsibility that comes with it - because like Jay, I don't think I could handle it.

Funny ain’t it, this thread is littered with allegations and accusations over the morality and credibility of LIV players, employees, CEO’s and fans, yet when somebody suggests they are a better person than a man who used a terrorist attack in an attempt to protect his organisation only to later renage those views for money, a man who takes ten million dollars salary per year from a charitable organisation, a man who can’t handle the pressures of his role but won’t step down, they get called out for it…

Let’s hope there’s nothing to the stories that the PGAT covered allegations of physical abuse to protect its employees eh??

You think the Saudis will agree to the guy who bailed out with anxiety recently, taking control of a new entity that will run world golf?

Graham. While my very first post reflected on the comedic nature of this thread, the above posts contain, imo, some obscene comments! I ignored the last one yesterday as it wasn't relevant to our conversation, but cannot ignore the pattern. You should consider copying the action JM took. Oh and to correct your blunder about the PGAT, it is NOT a charitable organisation, though a number of charities benefit from its contributions.

 

[BrianM]

Can we just move on please, a lot of this is old ground.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

This is just a personal opinion.

I believe PGAT New Co will come into being but with other private equity investment.

Im struggling to see how a definitive agreement can be achieved between PGAT & PIF if both sides are looking out for the best interests of their respective tours.
If one is willing to give ground then it could possibly happen.

 

[Backsticks]

This is just a personal opinion.

I believe PGAT New Co will come into being but with other private equity investment.

Im struggling to see how a definitive agreement can be achieved between PGAT & PIF if both sides are looking out for the best interests of their respective tours.
If one is willing to give ground then it could possibly happen.

There arent really two sides anymore. Assuming governance, antitrust, monopoly regulations etc, can be overcome.
PIF isnt a tour. PIF has a goal of sportswashing through golf, and its first attemp was through the LIV vehicle. That failed. Hence why PIF is at the table to buy a chunk of the PGAT, which LIV, while a failure as a tour, did contribute to weakening.
So LIV isnt at the table in itself. It is just something that has to be tidied up if PGAT and PIF find a deal. PIF isnt looking out for 'its' tour. It just wants a proper tour. LIV may just gave been a sacrificial tactic to bring the PGAT to negotiate.

 

[Budds]

This is just a personal opinion.

I believe PGAT New Co will come into being but with other private equity investment.

Im struggling to see how a definitive agreement can be achieved between PGAT & PIF if both sides are looking out for the best interests of their respective tours.
If one is willing to give ground then it could possibly happen.

While there could well be other investment, I'm more inclined to think LIV was simply a wedge to manipulate the PGAT. If the agreement is implemented, LIV has achieved its purpose and I don't believe MbS will be happy to continue to spend 20M 7 or 8 times a year for little, if any, benefit.

The team aspect might be continued, but I doubt the complete existing structure and format will. Maybe a reduced number of events with 32 iplayers in 8 teams, so not a massive difference to now.

Then there'd only be rehabilitation and compensation issues to resolve.

 

[Budds]

There arent really two sides anymore. Assuming governance, antitrust, monopoly regulations etc, can be overcome.
PIF isnt a tour. PIF has a goal of sportswashing through golf, and its first attemp was through the LIV vehicle. That failed. Hence why PIF is at the table to buy a chunk of the PGAT, which LIV, while a failure as a tour, did contribute to weakening.
So LIV isnt at the table in itself. It is just something that has to be tidied up if PGAT and PIF find a deal.

I'm by no means convinced that sportswashing, though a beneficial side-effect, is the primary function of PIF. The 2nd letter of the abbreciation gives a major clue to what it's primary function is and that purpose is well documented, even in this thread.
SA needs to reduce its dependence on fossil fuels for it's trade and that's what PIF was set up to do. The sportswashing handle is, imo, a convenient handle for folk who, understandably, object to their human rights attitude, which indeed obscene. But that's getting political, so I won't continue that line of discussion.

 

[Backsticks]

I'm by no means convinced that sportswashing, though a beneficial side-effect, is the primary function of PIF. The 2nd letter of the abbreciation gives a major clue to what it's primary function is and that purpose is well documented, even in this thread.
The sportswashing handle is, imo, a convenient handle for folk who, understandably, object to their human rights attitude, which indeed obscene. But that's getting political, so I won't continue that line of discussion.

I will. Certainly money making is there too. But there are a million ways to invest that wouldnt raise any profile beyond the inside pages of the Financial Times and the likes. As with F1, football, high profile sports is being targeted as an investment channel beyond simple economic return. But agree, its investment first. They are hardly going to explicitly state their other goal by calling themselves the PIaSWF.