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Please do, seriously... It's a painful readCan I close this thread yet?
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You do know itās not mandatory to click on the thread donāt you?Please do, seriously... It's a painful read
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
But there's a morbid curiosity that keeps you coming back to see who's posted the most outrageous claims and denials......
wjemather
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No, you'd simply take the word of anyone who is saying what you want to hear. Same as a few others here (on both sides).Why not
would take his word over the half a dozen journalists and āsourcesā that are saying lots right now
Mel Smooth
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Well, because of LIV, and the eyes it's opened, you might well get to see that now.
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Or Iām making my own choice and basing it on the people who are providing the information
Iāll certainly take more credibility for someone who was involved in the merger than someone quoting unnamed āsourceā
Well, because of LIV, and the eyes it's opened, you might well get to see that now.
There are already alternative comps on the tour with things like the Zurich
wjemather
Well-known member
You've consistently ploughed one side of the fence regardless of what the source is. You've little chance of convincing anyone that you're analysing anything objectively now.
You would be rightly cautious when it comes to quotes from Greg Norman or Phil Mickelson; you should apply the same standards to anyone speaking as a member/employee of the PGA Tour (particularly the policy board).
None of the spin can be trusted. Monahan neither. They will say what they have to say professionally in a given scenario. They arent speaking as real people, but as part of corporate contest. People might marvel at Monahans u turn or the pie in the sky spoof and rumours from LIV about players joining last year. His certainly one of the biggest u turns of all time. But strategically there is no issue. It is commercially expedient and the correct thing to do. It only rings odd to those of us on the outside. You must view the statements as coming from an office, not a person.
The likes of McIlroy are in a twilight zone and so do indeed feel personally uncomfortable having been bounced into the same u turn without having a say in it, and, have been more personally exposed than an office holder.
But beyond the speculation, spin, and statements from each side (where is Greg but the way ???), we can look at the facts. LIV didnt beat the PGAT tour. It failed badly to recruit a majority of top world players. The PIF had to move to plan B. Anyone spinning LIV as having succeeded because it led to a PGAT-PIF deal is as delusional as someone claiming that despite losing on the battlefield, the Germans achieved their goal in the second world war of uniting Europe, as it led to the formation of the EU and stopped German and France starting a war every 30 years. PIF reached their goal by alternative means. They succeeded. Their LIV assault failed, so LIV itself failed. PIFs plan B succeeded in snatching a good victory/truce, time will tell, from the LIV defeat.
And, where IS Greg ? If this were any way a good week for LIV he would be front and centre. The silence speaks.
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garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Leaving the saudi money aside the main problem with LIV that it wasn't that great to watch for real golf fans.
The commentary team were absolutely brutal. Little or any substance to it at all. Great shot or that wasn't too bad to nearly every shot. Bang onto the next one. Its like ADHD golf. Hopping about like a bag of frogs. Even the fly overs of holes where a roller coaster drone flight that I needed a sick bag to stomach.
The music being played doesn't work on TV. I've heard music pumped out over a course before and TBF it's not too bad on a sunny evening on a quiet course. Quite nice actually. As a viewing experience on TV its as annoying as hearing some random playing music from their phone.
I watched a fair few of the first tournaments as it was quite rightly played on quiet weeks on tour, it was a major thing in a game I love and it was slightly sad to see some of my old favourite players seemingly head off into the sunset.
By about the 4th tournament my curiosity was spent and I didnt give it much thought, only checking to see who had played well and who won. Sometimes after the tournament was over and I didn't know it was on there was that lack of buzz about it anymore in the golf world.
The viewing experience was so poor and the team thing so annoying it couldn't even hold this golf addicts attention.
With this merger, maybe LIV can live on in the off season. Drastically change its team thing and become a success. Maybe it will dissappear In time. Who knows. I'm not too bothered either way. All I know is that it needs some serious surgery to make fully sit up and take notice.
You can also lump in rory and tigers side show to that too. I'll give it a look but I'm not holding my breath for anything spectacular.
The commentary team were absolutely brutal. Little or any substance to it at all. Great shot or that wasn't too bad to nearly every shot. Bang onto the next one. Its like ADHD golf. Hopping about like a bag of frogs. Even the fly overs of holes where a roller coaster drone flight that I needed a sick bag to stomach.
The music being played doesn't work on TV. I've heard music pumped out over a course before and TBF it's not too bad on a sunny evening on a quiet course. Quite nice actually. As a viewing experience on TV its as annoying as hearing some random playing music from their phone.
I watched a fair few of the first tournaments as it was quite rightly played on quiet weeks on tour, it was a major thing in a game I love and it was slightly sad to see some of my old favourite players seemingly head off into the sunset.
By about the 4th tournament my curiosity was spent and I didnt give it much thought, only checking to see who had played well and who won. Sometimes after the tournament was over and I didn't know it was on there was that lack of buzz about it anymore in the golf world.
The viewing experience was so poor and the team thing so annoying it couldn't even hold this golf addicts attention.
With this merger, maybe LIV can live on in the off season. Drastically change its team thing and become a success. Maybe it will dissappear In time. Who knows. I'm not too bothered either way. All I know is that it needs some serious surgery to make fully sit up and take notice.
You can also lump in rory and tigers side show to that too. I'll give it a look but I'm not holding my breath for anything spectacular.
doublebogey7
Head Pro
Agree from a pure entertainment point of you, but I very much doubt they would have had any serious golfers take the bait.
I prefer to watch sport for sports sake. If we reduce viewing sport to just entertainment then it ceases to be sport and we may as well just be watching big brother, x factor bake off etc.
I can see a benefit to golf in getting into this space but LiV was never the answer as it was trying be all things to all men. TGL seems a better bet, though doubt I will watch that either, but as a sixty something I am not the market they are trying to attract.
Swango1980
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This thread is amusing to be fair.
It was only a few pages ago LIV fans were trying to have us believe the words of a "LIV insider", who also happened to call McIlroy a "little bitch"
No bias there I suppose...
Reemul
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What's a real golf fan, I mean what does that mean, nobody knows that that means but it's provocative
wjemather
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That's exactly it, I just keep being drawn to to the flame like a moth... Convinced that some are just on a massive wind up.
And āgolf with shortsā
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This is all about the MONEY!!!
To be able to continue to offer the inflated purses THE PGAT needs the PIF money as they can't get the sponsors to sustain that kind of $$$, in fact the opposite has been the problem with the likes of Honda and AT&T walking away.
If the PGAT went back to 8 million purses more players would start looking at Liv.
One big problem for PGAT now is, if the merger fails they have given the green light for anyone to do business with Liv because they were prepared to do it themselves.
Very interesting times
To be able to continue to offer the inflated purses THE PGAT needs the PIF money as they can't get the sponsors to sustain that kind of $$$, in fact the opposite has been the problem with the likes of Honda and AT&T walking away.
If the PGAT went back to 8 million purses more players would start looking at Liv.
One big problem for PGAT now is, if the merger fails they have given the green light for anyone to do business with Liv because they were prepared to do it themselves.
Very interesting times
Its a follower who watches golf for the pure sport. For whom genuine competition is enough.What's a real golf fan, I mean what does that mean, nobody knows that that means but it's provocative
Who does not need LOUD, razmataz, artificial teams that mean nothing and have even stupider names, uncritical on the payroll fanboy commentators, or its a knockout type fake sport, and wins that mean nothing.
For whom the sport, as it has always been played, for good reason, is real golf. They are the real golf fans.
Swango1980
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When LIV became a thing, to some it wasn't all about the money. Ot was about growing the game, about team golf, about more time off for the golfers.
When PIF invest in the PGAT however, it is all about the money.
P.S. it is all about the money, always has been.
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It's all about the MONEY..
MONEY has the power, not Jay, not Greg, not PGA, Not Liv.
The PIF has the power...
It's what they decide OK in the merger that is key to all this..
MONEY has the power, not Jay, not Greg, not PGA, Not Liv.
The PIF has the power...
It's what they decide OK in the merger that is key to all this..
Mel Smooth
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They won't listen....
