LIV Golf
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Fastest growing - yet still nowhere near the level of the US and Europe - that’s why even LIV themselves had the majority of their events in the US , it’s why when there are events over in Asia the fields arent great because it doesn’t get broadcast where the biggest market is
Mel Smooth
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Who knowsthey will have to pay some tax like normal people
Do you think their business model would become unsustainable, but for the potential input of Saudi money... I mean, it was anyway, hence the capitulation this week.
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fenwayrich
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The golfing world awaits the words of the most important player in the history of the game. When will Tiger speak?
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Is Rory getting thrown under another bus ?
cleveland52
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The PGAT was operating from a position of strength until that billionaire stated that Jay Monahan told him not to invest in LIV. That's the only thing that has changed. Coincidence, I think not.
I’ve followed this whole thing with intrigue. My personal opinion is that I hope every player who rejected LIV on moral reasons walks away from this new entity but that’s easy to say from this side of the proverbial fence.
rksquire
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This is shocking and unfortunately symptomatic of the type of people who appear to be quite powerful in America. Apart from the content fitting the narrative of NLU, it reads as if he is as clueless as nearly everyone else - talk of killing people himself if 'x' happens? The guy's an idiot (imagine if Trump said such a thing - Twitter would melt). But I knew that when Rory confirmed that Dunne had sold the move to him on the basis taking on a 280 yard 3 wood carry over water (pretty sure McIlroy had something like that earlier in the year when he lost to Hovland?) - “Sometimes you’ve got 280 over water & you just have to go for it” - I mean, WTF. You're talking about billions of $, peoples livelihoods, sportswashing, human rights, law suits, people's reputations and what they've stood up for the past year etc. etc. and he says you just got to go for it?
It's clear now that the initial shock has passed, everyone has reverted to type; Anti-LIV are trying to put positive spin on the PGAT and future demise of LIV; pro-LIV similarly spinning the future is bright and rosy with sponsors tripping over themselves and Rahm in talks etc. It's all speculative & hypocritical nonsense, none of these guys has a clue (and that includes Monahan, Dunne, McIlroy, Norman, Phil, Pelley and so on) - the Saudi's appear to be he only ones knowing what's going on and have stitched them all up to achieve their aim.
Mel Smooth
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“We will have LIV, and we will have PGAT”
That’s what Al-Rumayyan said on Tuesday.
So, we really don’t need to speculate beyond that, do we?
That’s what Al-Rumayyan said on Tuesday.
So, we really don’t need to speculate beyond that, do we?
RichA
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It's still funny to speculate whether the whole dodgy deal will massively backfire if it's found to be breaching monopoly legislation in all the jurisdictions it plans to operate.
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The Saudis are not only have the resources to do what they want. But also some very smart people. I’m sure they calculated a number of options. Setting up LiV is pocket change to them.
The top dogs on the PGAT could have also been smart. Buy not getting into bed with the Saudis at the first opportunity, they may have go a much better deal (aka more money) by allowing the last two year a to play out.
What it has done is shed some of the players in a poor light. LiV fans might not like Rory for his outspoken opinions on LiV, but at least they are genuine opinions and he is being honest.
Phil and Bryson have shown their true colours and come out looking pretty bad. If you have seen the interview Bryson did yesterday, his ‘I’m the smart golfer’ persona is blown out of the water.
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It will be, which is why they need LiV to continue until a deal is done.
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Especially since the players/LIV raised a lawsuit against the PGA Tour saying it was a monopoly already...that may backfire if the DOJ block the deal from occurring
Mel Smooth
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It would backfire for the PGAT, they themselves have removed the stigma of the Saudi involvement in LIV, which they’ve done their best to propagate over the last year or so - the signal has been sent to all commercial interests - ‘the Saudis are a good business proposition’
If the deal is now blocked by the DOJ, the Saudis are left with LIV, and a pot full of cash.
The PGAT are back to square one, having handed in their only effective ‘weapon’ they had, plus a boat load of investors who might now look at investing in another product.
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I fully imagine it will go through, but there are quite a lot of obstacles in the way which could make life difficult.
Neither side will have wanted to open their books to interrogation during the various law suits for differing reasons.
Neither side will have wanted to open their books to interrogation during the various law suits for differing reasons.
Mel Smooth
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Yeah, I agree. Wasn’t one of the PGAT’s key legal arguments that LIV was being controlled by Al Rumayyan and not Greg Norman?
Evidently, they were right..
I suspect a lot of the allegations being raised by LIV had plenty of substance as well.
Burying the hatchet no doubt suited all sides, but seemingly the problem is, many of those supportive of the PGAT seem relectunt to now accept the changes needed to expand golf as an entertainment product.
WGCRider
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I think it would help every single fan of the game if they just remember what all of this is about. It's not about growing the game, or about shotgun starts or super smash teams. It's not about the concerns of the 9/11 families or human right or LGBTQ rights or 200 people put to death this year. It's not about the state of the game in Australia or Asia. It's not about disrupting the PGA's unhealthy monopoly. One of the few things we do know is that many of the top players and almost all of the top officials are duplicitous and will say whatever pops into their mind to justify their choices.
All this is about is money and power and the people that want more of both. Personally I really don't care for any of them it's a soap opera that doesn't affect me. The only people I empathise with (I don't fell sorry for them - they're millionaires who'll be fine) are the handful of players that did show a hint of principle over the last year. I do think some of them believed the things they were saying and I think they have been knifed by those running the PGA. But hey - won't affect the majors anyway and won't affect me on Saturday morning.
