LIV Golf

[BubbaP]

I'm going to give a shout to the Sky Sports golf team, first I've watched in 2023 with many players competing, and overall felt they were honest, factual and not petty. Slightly a shame to need to comment but it was night & day from what I saw in 2022.
The young lady doing the interviews & I think it was Cotter who seemed most comfortable to just talk golf without the sideshow.I understand the commercial pressures, and alignments so fine with some reticence, as long as factual and not petty - so

 

[SatchFan]

Maybe you weren’t looking properly


They had Koepka winning as their main story when it happened

Round 4 review: PGA Championship - PGA TOUR

A look at some of the big stories from Sunday’s fourth round of the PGA Championship

www.pgatour.com

Plus a WITB

Winner's Bag: Brooks Koepka, PGA Championship - PGA TOUR

Brooks Koepka earned his third PGA Championship and fifth major champiosnhip at the 2023 PGA Championship. See what clubs he used on his way to victory.

www.pgatour.com

There is nothing wrong with my eyesight thanks very much. I suggest you look at this morning's offering.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Irrespective of opinions about pro golf (whether Liv / PGA) I think a lots of absolute bilge has been spoken by a lot of people about some of the players who’ve left….

A 53(?) year old Phil came second at the Masters, playing an incredible final round..Whilst in the same tournament Tiger (due to his self-inflicted injury caused by extremely reckless and dangerous driving), Rory, JT, Homa, were nowhere…

Now Brooks has won the next Major

Agree that people really need to wind it in

Sorry I’m not sure what the relevance is with the highlighted part ?

People will always judge golfers on their performance in the events - and how a player does in the majors is for most the pinnacle on which to judge them.

There is nothing wrong with my eyesight thanks very much. I suggest you look at this morning's offering.

So they have moved on to concentrate on a player who has a superb back story and will be playing in a future event that they host ?

It’s the PGAT website not the PGA of America website

Maybe you’re just looking to create something that isn’t there

 

[Bdill93]

If there was one person from LIV who was going to do well in Majors it’s Koepka

Before his injury issues he was the Majors player, it didn’t matter how well he was doing the week before - during 2018 and 2019 he turned up for the majors , he even stated as much in that Netflix , the others events just helped him warm as a practice and he prob would have won a few more if it wasn’t for the knee injury, he used to have a very minimal schedule.

It seemed clear that he was worried about competing at the majors again because of that knee injury and it’s the reason why he went to LIV , I suspect if he wasn’t tied down and it didn’t cost millions he would be the first to leave LIV.

Why?

He's now got exemptions for majors for a number of years again and only has to play another 14 events a year around those - being paid handsomely in the process.

In 25 years time no one will care how many PGA tour wins these guys have, success is determined in Major wins and now he has more than any current PGAT member. Who cares how many elevated events someone wins etc? Big whoop.

He's proved he's a force to be reckoned with in any Major and can spend time at home with his upcoming newborn baby.

I know where id be staying

 

[SatchFan]

I suspect you are reading too much into that, to generate your own story?

I open the PGAT App and the first thing I see is a full screen with Koepka on it and the headline he won. The story is also on their Facebook page.

Of course, the story of Michael Block was huge, so clearly going to appear. Everyone loves an underdog. And there will also be stories about other PGAT players, as would be expected on a PGAT website

I was watching from my desktop for the four days rather than the app so that is probably why we are viewing different things.

 

[PJ87]

Why?

He's now got exemptions for majors for a number of years again and only has to play another 14 events a year around those - being paid handsomely in the process.

In 25 years time no one will care how many PGA tour wins these guys have, success is determined in Major wins and now he has more than any current PGAT member. Who cares how many elevated events someone wins etc? Big whoop.

He's proved he's a force to be reckoned with in any Major and can spend time at home with his upcoming newborn baby.

I know where id be staying

Considering brooks said before he targets majors ... And as you say this gets him into majors for next few years why would he want to come back? Play less golf for more cash .. seems a win win

 

[Bdill93]

Considering brooks said before he targets majors ... And as you say this gets him into majors for next few years why would he want to come back? Play less golf for more cash .. seems a win win

Exactly. Now he can chill with a smug smile on his face knowing he's back to his best and his bank balance has a fat load of 0's

 

[PJ87]

Exactly. Now he can chill with a smug smile on his face knowing he's back to his best and his bank balance has a fat load of 0's

Plus (least the Americans like DJ and brooks) live close to their mates still .. was it Fowler on a podcast who said they still play together socially or practice? Can't remember but one of them did

Don't think brooks or DJ will be too worried about their choice

Cam smith either .. he just loves a party , golfs Jamie vardy lol

 

[Mel Smooth]

Smash GC just added some digits to the sale price. ;-)

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Smash GC just added some digits to the sale price. ;-)

Who would be buying it?
I thought the players owned the teams ?

 

[WGCRider]

Will the catty comments about not playing enough tournaments, only 3 rounds etc to be sharp for majors now stop. Between here and the Masters I think the myth has been debunked, humble pie is being served and people can go back to playing and watching whichever tour they want.

The above is an absolute pipedream of course but hey ho

The millions of people watching LIV * must be ecstatic.

*Data provided by LIV

 

[Bdill93]

The millions of people watching LIV * must be ecstatic.

*Data provided by LIV

Well that's a Lie and we all know it....

LIV aren't sharing their viewing data

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Why?

He's now got exemptions for majors for a number of years again and only has to play another 14 events a year around those - being paid handsomely in the process.

In 25 years time no one will care how many PGA tour wins these guys have, success is determined in Major wins and now he has more than any current PGAT member. Who cares how many elevated events someone wins etc? Big whoop.

He's proved he's a force to be reckoned with in any Major and can spend time at home with his upcoming newborn baby.

I know where id be staying

Koepka had exemptions anyway , life for the PGA and US Open and a number of further years for the Master and Open

When the Netflix documentary come out there was a number of articles about Koepka having a bit of regret about going to Liv because the opinion appeared to be that he went there because he felt he couldn’t compete at the highest level because of the injury , it’s clear he still can. He also doesn’t seem to be a player who wants to go all over the world

The one thing Koepka always seems to be - is his single vision about it being about him and what he wants , and in an individual sport that’s what makes him a winner

This major and indeed any of them isn’t about liv Vs PGAT - Koepka isn’t their to represent LIV Tour , he was there for himself , I guess that’s why he didn’t have any LIV emblems on , and that’s how he come across in the Documentary, and that’s prob what makes him elevate himself up for the majors. When he wins he isn’t winning for the LIV tour or the fireballs etc - he is winning for Brooks Koepka and fair play to him - he does it. Outstanding golfer

 

[AussieKB]

Koepka had exemptions anyway , life for the PGA and US Open and a number of further years for the Master and Open

When the Netflix documentary come out there was a number of articles about Koepka having a bit of regret about going to Liv because the opinion appeared to be that he went there because he felt he couldn’t compete at the highest level because of the injury , it’s clear he still can. He also doesn’t seem to be a player who wants to go all over the world

The one thing Koepka always seems to be - is his single vision about it being about him and what he wants , and in an individual sport that’s what makes him a winner

This major and indeed any of them isn’t about liv Vs PGAT - Koepka isn’t their to represent LIV Tour , he was there for himself , I guess that’s why he didn’t have any LIV emblems on , and that’s how he come across in the Documentary, and that’s prob what makes him elevate himself up for the majors. When he wins he isn’t winning for the LIV tour or the fireballs etc - he is winning for Brooks Koepka and fair play to him - he does it. Outstanding golfer

Is that you Phil or has someone taken over ID ?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Who would be buying it?
I thought the players owned the teams ?

According to a LiV bot on Twitter. Smash could now be worth $2 billion

 

[Bdill93]

Koepka had exemptions anyway , life for the PGA and US Open and a number of further years for the Master and Open

When the Netflix documentary come out there was a number of articles about Koepka having a bit of regret about going to Liv because the opinion appeared to be that he went there because he felt he couldn’t compete at the highest level because of the injury , it’s clear he still can. He also doesn’t seem to be a player who wants to go all over the world

The one thing Koepka always seems to be - is his single vision about it being about him and what he wants , and in an individual sport that’s what makes him a winner

This major and indeed any of them isn’t about liv Vs PGAT - Koepka isn’t their to represent LIV Tour , he was there for himself , I guess that’s why he didn’t have any LIV emblems on , and that’s how he come across in the Documentary, and that’s prob what makes him elevate himself up for the majors. When he wins he isn’t winning for the LIV tour or the fireballs etc - he is winning for Brooks Koepka and fair play to him - he does it. Outstanding golfer

I agree with a lot of what you've said - I'm not trying to make this LIV v PGA at all.

Just don't think he cares what tour he's on so long as he's competing in the Majors again. The masters was his first showing, the PGA Win was his second. Playing shorter events at LIV isn't holding him back when the 4 day Majors come around and that's all that matters.

If he bottled it yesterday I think it would have raised questions about day 4 and only playing 3 day events on LIV. But its not come to fruition!

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Dress it up however you want, a Liv golfer winning a major is a BIG DEAL for their tour. #FACT

You can now go to a Liv Event and watch 2 current major champions.

The healthy Brooks Koepka (2018, 2019, 2020 & 2023) could be argued is the best player in the world. (he shattered his knee cap in 2021)
The barometer of truly great players has always been the majors and his 5 majors is by far the most successful major record in the post Tiger era.

The guy is a major monster, now he has his swag back I can see him winning more and Liv have him contracted for at least the next 4 years.

This narrative that the Liv golfers were not going to be competitive has been nullified by the results of their players at the 2 majors so far.

They have an incredibly small % of the field yet

At The Masters
11 made the cut
4 were T16 or better
3 were T4 or better

At the USPGA
Koepka is the champion
11 made the cut
3 were in the top 10
5 were T18 or better

I have watched every Liv event and the standard is very good.

If you think that a Rory, Sheffler, or Rahm would just rock up at a Liv event and stroll to victory because they play 72 hole PGA tour events you would be very much mistaken.

 

[WGCRider]

You can now go to a Liv Event and watch 2 current major champions.

And anyone can go. From what I understand they are giving away tickets to the Valderama and London events.

 

[Mel Smooth]

And anyone can go. From what I understand they are giving away tickets to the Valderama and London events.

Can you get me some links to the free tickets?

Always up for saving myself a few quid..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Dress it up however you want, a Liv golfer winning a major is a BIG DEAL for their tour. #FACT

You can now go to a Liv Event and watch 2 current major champions.

The healthy Brooks Koepka (2018, 2019, 2020 & 2023) could be argued is the best player in the world. (he shattered his knee cap in 2021)
The barometer of truly great players has always been the majors and his 5 majors is by far the most successful major record in the post Tiger era.

The guy is a major monster, now he has his swag back I can see him winning more and Liv have him contracted for at least the next 4 years.

This narrative that the Liv golfers were not going to be competitive has been nullified by the results of their players at the 2 majors so far.

They have an incredibly small % of the field yet

At The Masters
11 made the cut
4 were T16 or better
3 were T4 or better

At the USPGA
Koepka is the champion
11 made the cut
3 were in the top 10
5 were T18 or better

I have watched every Liv event and the standard is very good.

If you think that a Rory, Sheffler, or Rahm would just rock up at a Liv event and stroll to victory because they play 72 hole PGA tour events you would be very much mistaken.

The very best players will win regardless - it doesn’t matter what tour they are on they will win and if not win they will challenge a lot

There are some serial winners on LIV - Koepka being the big one and it’s no surprise that he will challenge for the majors , same with BDC , Smith and maybe DJ if he wakes up - they are golfers that have won majors recently and have shown themselves to have the ability to win - it’s not going to be a surprise to anyone when their names appear within the top tens etc of the majors.

You can add them to the likes of Rory , Speith , Thomas , Rahm , Morikawa , Scheffler


Those level of players can play on the Jamega Tour for a couple of events and still challenge - it doesn’t mean that there isn’t a bunch of golfers behind them that just won’t win a major , they will have the odd fleeting challenge but that’s it

The next group coming through that will challenge those players will be the likes of Young , Conners , Fitzpatrick , Burns ? Cantlay , Hovland , Homa , Schauffele maybe Finau and hopefully some of the South Korean guys - but look at the LIV players it’s hard to see anyone behind those 3/4 guys that will challenge at a major