HeftyHacker
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Do you think the obligation to play in the elevated events would put him off though? You said yourself he wanted a minimalised schedule and he wouldn't be able to do that on the PGA Tour now would he?
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Do you think the obligation to play in the elevated events would put him off though? You said yourself he wanted a minimalised schedule and he wouldn't be able to do that on the PGA Tour now would he?
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Not including the Majors there are 13 elevated events - that includes the Players and WGC
Now I believe you can miss one , miss a second and it may affect pip money
For LIV he has no choice but to play in every event- so that’s 14 plus the majors and think they are being asked to participate in some of the Asian Tour International Series
So it seems that playing on the PGAT will prob be about the same amount of events but without the travel around the world
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That remains to be seen and is no certainty but it could happen
It could also happen that some of those names could be on the Liv Tour in the next couple of years, its far from impossible.
Young, Cantlay and Xander have been linked in the past and have never ruled out moving over like other big PGA names who have put a line in the sand.
All of the above is conjecture
My post was based on facts with the here and now.
Koepka's win is HUGE for Liv, for everything from attracting sponsors, interest and validating themselves as a tour.
Signing up Cam Smith as a current Open Champ was big but this is far bigger.
This is a current Liv player winning one of the four biggest titles in golf and looking like the worlds best major player again like he was back in 2018/19.
HeftyHacker
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Apologies, I had in my head there were 17 or 18 but I think that figure must have included the majors.
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Just as a footnote.
Can you imagine the response if a PGA teaching pro turned up at a Liv Event and finished T15.
The golf media would go into a meltdown saying how embarrassing that is and proof that the tour is incredibly poor.
Not taking anything away from Michael Block , its a wonderful story but a story that would have been reported in a very different way if that happened at Liv Tulsa.
The media's reporting on golf these day is intriguing..
Can you imagine the response if a PGA teaching pro turned up at a Liv Event and finished T15.
The golf media would go into a meltdown saying how embarrassing that is and proof that the tour is incredibly poor.
Not taking anything away from Michael Block , its a wonderful story but a story that would have been reported in a very different way if that happened at Liv Tulsa.
The media's reporting on golf these day is intriguing..
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
I read that from next year there's no mandatory participation for the Designated events, although there's still a minimum number of events to retain tour membership (somewhere between 15-20)
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It’s not going to change a thing in real life terms - getting the likes of Cam Smith and a handful of other major players didn’t bring in the sponsers even with Smith as the reigning Open Champion - the biggest competition in the sport was able to attract the media deals and sponsers - Koepka winning the US PGA won’t change that.
And those core of players waiting to break through aren’t going to jump to LIV now - that time has now past , they turned down the riches on offer already , they won’t be going to LIV
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to whom?According to a LiV bot on Twitter. Smash could now be worth $2 billion
I think $3B to $3.5M is considered more the worth of Smash this morning.According to a LiV bot on Twitter. Smash could now be worth $2 billion
To the Smash franchise owners.
Swango1980
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Of course it would be reported differently.
Yesterday, he turned up at a Major, with pretty much all the best players in the world competing, and finished 15th. The competition didn't expect a PGA teaching pro to be competing at the top of the leaderbaord, most of the field qualified by right.
Had he signed up to a LIV event, with only 48 players in the field and many of the worlds best (or even those in the top 100 - 1000) not present, then of course the story would be reported differently. I don't think Block or anyone else would expect anything different?
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Again your opinion not fact , no one can predict the future..
Mel Smooth
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If I’m a pro on the PGAT, and I’m watching a rejuvenated Brooks coming in and competing in and winning majors, while earning fantastic money playing fewer events, on a tour that is structured to suit the needs of the players, I’m ready to have my head turned.
Couple of guys were strongly rumoured to make the switch for this year, but it didn’t transpire - doesn’t mean those deals are dead.
Also, with the structure of LIV it is in each teams best interests to find emerging talent that will suit their dynamic. It’s foolish to think that the player recruitment is done and dusted.. it will be an ongoing process of luring top players in, and finding younger players to develop. It’s a tried and tested recipe for success that we see in most other sports.
Couple of guys were strongly rumoured to make the switch for this year, but it didn’t transpire - doesn’t mean those deals are dead.
Also, with the structure of LIV it is in each teams best interests to find emerging talent that will suit their dynamic. It’s foolish to think that the player recruitment is done and dusted.. it will be an ongoing process of luring top players in, and finding younger players to develop. It’s a tried and tested recipe for success that we see in most other sports.
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So how come they couldn’t lure any top players this season ?
If the tour is that great for the top players why didn’t others jump at the chance
What’s stopping the likes of Homa , Scheffler, Schafelle , Burns , Etc from accepting the offer to join ?
Maybe it’s because you are only seeing it from the nothing but positive angle
How many events can a player miss on the LIV tour ? If a player doesn’t want to go to Singapore or Saudi or Australia or UK can he just not play in those events ?
Does that suit the players needs to “have” to play in every single LIV event
Why would a head be turned now when it wasn’t for the millions months ago ?
Swango1980
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I think we can take this point of view with a pinch of salt. You'd have your head turned to join LIV, even if all LIV players were banned from Majors. You've been telling us reasons, for nearly 600 pages now, why players would be tempted to join LIV.
I don't think any of the current PGAT players were naive enough to think Brooks, Smith, DeChambea or DJ would never be able to compete in Majors again, let alone win one. These guys know the LIV golfers, professionally and personally a million times more than you or I know them, so they'll know what they are capable of. I'd be surprised if PGAT players are waking up today thinking "crikey, Brooks won a Major and he plays on LIV, maybe I should join LIV as well"
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Mel Smooth
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So how come they couldn’t lure any top players this season ?
If the tour is that great for the top players why didn’t others jump at the chance
What’s stopping the likes of Homa , Scheffler, Schafelle , Burns , Etc from accepting the offer to join ?
Maybe it’s because you are only seeing it from the nothing but positive angle
How many events can a player miss on the LIV tour ? If a player doesn’t want to go to Singapore or Saudi or Australia or UK can he just not play in those events ?
Does that suit the players needs to “have” to play in every single LIV event
Why would a head be turned now when it wasn’t for the millions months ago ?
With every passing week in the golfing calendar, the credibility of LIV and its players increases.
You can see it everywhere, even Faxon finally shut down the PGAT mouthpiece that is Chamblee yesterday. Publicly exposed for the schill that he is, right there, with millions watching.
At the start of this year, there were still a lot of unknowns with LIV - there still are of course, but I’d imagine any players who we’re contemplating a move, have been impressed with the traction that LIV is gaining, and it may well be enough to sway them, once the time for some LIV recruitment comes around again.
For sure, you have to play all the LIV events - that’s 42 rounds of golf - I’m sure none of the players are feeling like that’s overloading them…
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Does anyone believe that this Brooks would have joined LiV?
Based on what he’s said, he pretty much joined LiV to fund his retirement.
Based on what he’s said, he pretty much joined LiV to fund his retirement.
Bdill93
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I don't think he cares much about "the historic events" etc - maybe would have liked a Players championship to his name. Never really seen anything from him suggesting he loves a certain event etc..
So I think he might have, its mega money in the bank and he knows he can compete in Majors.
JonnyGutteridge
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If you were a pro on the PGAT, I think you’d have sold out long ago. Your stance is very clear.
I'm going to give a shout to the Sky Sports golf team, first I've watched in 2023 with many players competing, and overall felt they were honest, factual and not petty. Slightly a shame to need to comment but it was night & day from what I saw in 2022.
The young lady doing the interviews & I think it was Cotter who seemed most comfortable to just talk golf without the sideshow.I understand the commercial pressures, and alignments so fine with some reticence, as long as factual and not petty - so
Been following the girl who was doing the interviews (on instagram
) for a while - she is gorgeous.Kira Dixon - former miss America!
sweaty sock
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I think first set jumped to fund their retirement. And they've done that. No one else will move because the proposition hasnt changed, its infact a worse offer as the PGA have improved theyre offer.
We now have to wait maybe the end of the season, maybe longer. To see what the next step for LIV is.
It could be nothing new, continue to pay above market rate and get the nervous or/and 40+ in new batches every 3 years. Or something could change, I dont know what, that may attract new blood.
Theres no denying that they are a real thing now, their value and longevity up for debate and going to take at least until the end of the first batch of contacts to tell.
I dont think there's any evidence so far to say its on an improving trends.
We now have to wait maybe the end of the season, maybe longer. To see what the next step for LIV is.
It could be nothing new, continue to pay above market rate and get the nervous or/and 40+ in new batches every 3 years. Or something could change, I dont know what, that may attract new blood.
Theres no denying that they are a real thing now, their value and longevity up for debate and going to take at least until the end of the first batch of contacts to tell.
I dont think there's any evidence so far to say its on an improving trends.
