LIV Golf

[Deleted member 15344]

With every passing week in the golfing calendar, the credibility of LIV and its players increases.
You can see it everywhere, even Faxon finally shut down the PGAT mouthpiece that is Chamblee yesterday. Publicly exposed for the schill that he is, right there, with millions watching.

At the start of this year, there were still a lot of unknowns with LIV - there still are of course, but I’d imagine any players who we’re contemplating a move, have been impressed with the traction that LIV is gaining, and it may well be enough to sway them, once the time for some LIV recruitment comes around again.

For sure, you have to play all the LIV events - that’s 42 rounds of golf - I’m sure none of the players are feeling like that’s overloading them…

Who says as each passing week the credibility increases ? In what way ? Have they managed get any sponsors? Media deal ? - how about their viewing figures ? Oh they don’t release them anymore

This is a tour whose main media channel Z in the US stopped the broadcast to put on a repeat of caught on camera ?

No idea why you think Faxon and Chamblee chat makes a difference ?

There hasn’t been any real life “traction” - it’s added a few events but beyond its not really

 

[WGCRider]

With every passing week in the golfing calendar, the credibility of LIV and its players increases.

Objectively that's funny.

 

[PJ87]

So to sum up

Liv player wins event, he is now "one of a couple" who have it still the rest are still washed up

The events still are rubbish

Doesn't matter unless they get a TV deal or sponsorship

Any thing of the balderdash bingo missed or are we at full house now?

 

[Deleted member 18121]

So to sum up

Liv player wins event, he is now "one of a couple" who have it still the rest are still washed up

The events still are rubbish

Doesn't matter unless they get a TV deal or sponsorship

Any thing of the balderdash bingo missed or are we at full house now?

Pretty much... The same names will continue to try and downplay it day after day whilst the select few will tell you it's great.

For me...I like it .

 

[Backsticks]

With every passing week in the golfing calendar, the credibility of LIV and its players increases.

I would not consider that correct.

That LIV has 5 top rank golfers has never been contested. The problem is that it is only 5, and thus LIV competitions themselves are low quality. Further major wins for those golfer who were established to 20, top 10, or even world number 1, doesnt tell us anything new. It validates nothing for the other 43 on LIV, or LIV itself. More, it raises the question of why those guys are wasting away their careers there. Smith is the real pity. Young, less established, and true ranking in the game undecided.

 

[Swango1980]

So to sum up

Liv player wins event, he is now "one of a couple" who have it still the rest are still washed up

The events still are rubbish

Doesn't matter unless they get a TV deal or sponsorship

Any thing of the balderdash bingo missed or are we at full house now?

Did anyone actually ever say Brooks was washed up. Or Smith. Or DeChambeau?

They were very good players pre LIV, especially Brooks, and so there was every chance they could compete with the best. It is still only a handful from LIV that you can genuinely say that about though.

Incidentally, was it not Brooks himself that felt he was "washed up", hence why he joined LIV. It seemed to be his suggestion in that Full Swing documentary, where I thought he said his LIV decision would have probably been different had he not been injured and lost his form and confidence.

 

[PJ87]

Did anyone actually ever say Brooks was washed up. Or Smith. Or DeChambeau?

They were very good players pre LIV, especially Brooks, and so there was every chance they could compete with the best. It is still only a handful from LIV that you can genuinely say that about though.

Incidentally, was it not Brooks himself that felt he was "washed up", hence why he joined LIV. It seemed to be his suggestion in that Full Swing documentary, where I thought he said his LIV decision would have probably been different had he not been injured and lost his form and confidence.

I'm sure if we look back at all the rubbish written we will find it all..

Washed up past it players

Won't be sharp as only play 54 holes now, won't cope with 72

Every passing day brings another boring twitter link to the fold

 

[Mel Smooth]

Who says as each passing week the credibility increases ? In what way ? Have they managed get any sponsors? Media deal ? - how about their viewing figures ? Oh they don’t release them anymore

This is a tour whose main media channel Z in the US stopped the broadcast to put on a repeat of caught on camera ?

No idea why you think Faxon and Chamblee chat makes a difference ?

There hasn’t been any real life “traction” - it’s added a few events but beyond its not really

Phil, it looks like you may be sliding into full on denial mode buddy.

Are you still confident in this statement you made back in December?

He won’t be at the Ryder Cup playing - no LIV player will be

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil, it looks like you may be sliding into full on denial mode buddy.

Are you still confident in this statement you made back in December?

Denial about what ? You are just making statements based on your belief - there is little factual evidence to back your statements of “credibility” improves each week and the belief that more top players will arrive

The facts are - they gained no top players for this season

They are still unable to gain any main sponsers or media deals etc

So what is it that shows the tour is become more credible each week ?

As for the players - which ones are you talking about ? Koepka ? Who himself thought he wouldn’t compete at the major level again ?

Why have liv stopped publishing their viewing figures - is it because they are dropping and beyond the initial novelty factor it’s just flatlined

Why did their only Telly broadcaster in the US seem the event to be that low level it stopped showing it before it finished

And if a LIV player plays in the Ryder Cup then I will be wrong in my statement - won’t be the first time or last time I’m wrong

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I'm sure if we look back at all the rubbish written we will find it all..

Washed up past it players

Won't be sharp as only play 54 holes now, won't cope with 72

Every passing day brings another boring twitter link to the fold

Brooks said himself that he couldn’t compete. Obviously, something has changed and now he can.

That being said. One player winning a major does not ‘validate’ (whatever that means) the quality of LiV.

There are obviously a few top players there. But a lot of them are either past it or have never been it to start with.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

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[Mel Smooth]

Denial about what ? You are just making statements based on your belief - there is little factual evidence to back your statements of “credibility” improves each week and the belief that more top players will arrive

The facts are - they gained no top players for this season

They are still unable to gain any main sponsers or media deals etc

So what is it that shows the tour is become more credible each week ?

As for the players - which ones are you talking about ? Koepka ? Who thought he wouldn’t compete at the major level again ?

Why have liv stopped publishing their viewing figures - is it because they are dropping and beyond the initial novelty factor it’s just flatlined

Why did their only Telly broadcaster in the US seem the event to be that low level it stopped showing it before it finished

And if a LIV player plays in the Ryder Cup then I will be wrong in my statement - won’t be the first time or last time I’m wrong

I said last week, they don't need sponsors yet - they have the Saudi money guaranteed for a couple more years. So why would they be rushing out and agreeing sponsorship deals that may not reflect true value. Remember, team sponsors and series sponsors will be sought from two entirely different parties. I'd imagine all the negotiations are pretty complexed and not something that can be rushed, and there is no ruch.
LIV won't be publishing their TV viewing figures because they aren't representative of how many people are watching - most people will be streaming the coverage. They did publish their video views for Adelaide - 55 million, no idea if that's good or bad, but they put it out there - yet nobody seems to acknowledge that when they bring up the "where are the viewing figures" debate.
And yeah, some CW channels cut off the coverage - not all, obviously a mistake as they've now made it clear it won't happen should an event massively over run it's time slot again.
The fact that you have just acknowledged you could be wrong about Ryder Cup players - and lets face it, it looks like you will be, demonstrates even by your own highly anti-LIV beliefs, that it is gaining traction. Something that is clearly obvious to everybody following the evolution of professional golf that is happening right now.

 

[Backsticks]

Denial about what ? You are just making statements based on your belief - there is little factual evidence to back your statements of “credibility” improves each week and the belief that more top players will arrive

The facts are - they gained no top players for this season

They are still unable to gain any main sponsers or media deals etc

So what is it that shows the tour is become more credible each week ?

As for the players - which ones are you talking about ? Koepka ? Who himself thought he wouldn’t compete at the major level again ?

Why have liv stopped publishing their viewing figures - is it because they are dropping and beyond the initial novelty factor it’s just flatlined

Why did their only Telly broadcaster in the US seem the event to be that low level it stopped showing it before it finished

And if a LIV player plays in the Ryder Cup then I will be wrong in my statement - won’t be the first time or last time I’m wrong

Its hard to disagree with any of that.
Certainly, there is no evidence that LIV is rectifying its failings or gaining credibility. There is nothing it can do about that until it recruits a significant group of top level players. It is the issue it has utterly failed on for the last 8 months and no amount of puff media (even that seems to be evaporating) can create an alternate reality to that. Painting Koepka's win in any way as a win for LIV is distasteful and an injustice to Koepka, who had a great win and elevates himself further up the pyramid of greats. Joining Seve. Above McIlroy. Its very impressive. The tragedy of the LIV weakness, is that a great golfer, in his prime, is really only playing 4 tournaments in a year.

 

[wjemather]

I would not consider that correct.

That LIV has 5 top rank golfers has never been contested. The problem is that it is only 5, and thus LIV competitions themselves are low quality. Further major wins for those golfer who were established to 20, top 10, or even world number 1, doesnt tell us anything new. It validates nothing for the other 43 on LIV, or LIV itself. More, it raises the question of why those guys are wasting away their careers there. Smith is the real pity. Young, less established, and true ranking in the game undecided.

Can you please clarify what "top rank" means and name your 5?

 

[Backsticks]

I said last week, they don't need sponsors yet - they have the Saudi money guaranteed for a couple more years. So why would they be rushing out and agreeing sponsorship deals that may not reflect true value. Remember, team sponsors and series sponsors will be sought from two entirely different parties. I'd imagine all the negotiations are pretty complexed and not something that can be rushed, and there is no ruch.
LIV won't be publishing their TV viewing figures because they aren't representative of how many people are watching - most people will be streaming the coverage. They did publish their video views for Adelaide - 55 million, no idea if that's good or bad, but they put it out there - yet nobody seems to acknowledge that when they bring up the "where are the viewing figures" debate.
And yeah, some CW channels cut off the coverage - not all, obviously a mistake as they've now made it clear it won't happen should an event massively over run it's time slot again.
The fact that you have just acknowledged you could be wrong about Ryder Cup players - and lets face it, it looks like you will be, demonstrates even by your own highly anti-LIV beliefs, that it is gaining traction. Something that is clearly obvious to everybody following the evolution of professional golf that is happening right now.

Nobody is anti LIV. They just realise it isnt very good due to the low standard and disparity level of golfers competing in it - a handful of the very good, champions tour material, and filler. In a field of 48, that is undeniably low competition golf.

 

[Backsticks]

Can you please clarify what "top rank" means and name your 5?

Koepka, Smith, Reed, Dechambeau, DJ.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I said last week, they don't need sponsors yet - they have the Saudi money guaranteed for a couple more years. So why would they be rushing out and agreeing sponsorship deals that may not reflect true value. Remember, team sponsors and series sponsors will be sought from two entirely different parties. I'd imagine all the negotiations are pretty complexed and not something that can be rushed, and there is no ruch.
LIV won't be publishing their TV viewing figures because they aren't representative of how many people are watching - most people will be streaming the coverage. They did publish their video views for Adelaide - 55 million, no idea if that's good or bad, but they put it out there - yet nobody seems to acknowledge that when they bring up the "where are the viewing figures" debate.
And yeah, some CW channels cut off the coverage - not all, obviously a mistake as they've now made it clear it won't happen should an event massively over run it's time slot again.
The fact that you have just acknowledged you could be wrong about Ryder Cup players - and lets face it, it looks like you will be, demonstrates even by your own highly anti-LIV beliefs, that it is gaining traction. Something that is clearly obvious to everybody following the evolution of professional golf that is happening right now.

All the stuff about sponsership is excuses - if it was credible and gaining traction then sponsors would be throwing themselves at LIV but they aren’t because they know that right now the level of exposure is still very poor and there is still the toxicity of the tour hanging around - and that will be there for a while


And Koepka gaining enough points from Majors to be able to qualify for the Ryder Cup doesn’t show that LIV is gaining traction - it shows that despite his past injuries Koepka is still a quality golfer that’s able to win majors regardless of what tour he is on. Rahms win at Augusta didn’t mean anything for the other tours.

Can you please clarify what "top rank" means and name your 5?

I suspect top ranked means the players that have won majors in recent years and still have the ability to win them in the future

BDC , Smith , Koepka and DJ would be the ones I would suggest

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Liv Golf must be ecstatic they have Koepka 2.0 for the next 4 years.

What a prospect for them and what he could do in the majors in those 4 years.

 

[wjemather]

Koepka, Smith, Reed, Dechambeau, DJ.

And the definition of "top rank"?

 

[Backsticks]

Liv Golf must be ecstatic they have Koepka 2.0 for the next 4 years.

What a prospect for them and what he could do in the majors in those 4 years.

That would confirm their goal is exhibition golf, and the show casing of a mix of current major winners, with some popular stars of the past, and a touch of its-a-knockout type team razzmataz. Whether there is a real market for that, or whether there is really only interest in full field proper competitive is what LIV is exploring I guess.