LIV Golf

[Mel Smooth]

Brooks is a team owner, he can probably leave whenever he wants if he can find somebody to buy him out for the appropriate price - buy why would he?

He's in a position where he is making a lot of money for playing not an awful lot of golf, and showing up to the majors which he cherishes, in a good place physically and mentally.

He'll be well aware of the impact LIV has had on his game.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Brooks is a team owner, he can probably leave whenever he wants if he can find somebody to buy him out for the appropriate price - buy why would he?

He's in a position where he is making a lot of money for playing not an awful lot of golf, and showing up to the majors which he cherishes, in a good place physically and mentally.

He'll be well aware of the impact LIV has had on his game.

Would you not be worried about his statement of “but I’m more interested in my own self right now, to be honest with you,”

He seems very clear that he wasn’t there for LIV but himself and that shows you exactly his mentality and why “team” golf to him is prob irrelevant

The main impact on his game isn’t LIV or any Tour , it’s being able to walk on the knee without pain and being able to play his game and the way he played before he hurt his knee. A fully fit Koepka is up with the best in the world and wanting to win big trophies.

TBH I thought he had about 2.5 years left

Guess it’s how long they signed on for - heard it was anywhere from 3 to 4 years. Wonder if Koepka was 3 years

 

[Bdill93]

The thread that just keeps on giving. Almost every post is just people bashing about opinions with no real substance.

It's pretty evident that the PGAT see LIV as its greatest threat now. They would not have created elevated events without LIV, they would not be introducing no cut into events if it wasn't for LIV.

I'm really bored of hearing "they've not signed new players" - no they haven't, the teams are locked in for the season, I'd expect more changes at the end of this season if they do really want to keep pushing forward.

At the end of the season last year Cam Smith hopped aboard whilst being the current Open Champ. Whos to say something similar doesn't happen again? We can guess sure, but why not just wait and see?

For now - LIV looks stronger than it ever has in playing terms, it has grown from where it was this time last year. That is a certain. I'm looking forward to seeing if it makes it or not in the long term, its no skin off my back if it doesn't

What it does bring, is some top class golfers to an event in the UK that isn't a Major. And I, as a golf fan, am all for that!

 

[Mel Smooth]

Would you not be worried about his statement of “but I’m more interested in my own self right now, to be honest with you,”

He seems very clear that he wasn’t there for LIV but himself and that shows you exactly his mentality and why “team” golf to him is prob irrelevant

The main impact on his game isn’t LIV or any Tour , it’s being able to walk on the knee without pain and being able to play his game and the way he played before he hurt his knee. A fully fit Koepka is up with the best in the world and wanting to win big trophies.


Guess it’s how long they signed on for - heard it was anywhere from 3 to 4 years. Wonder if Koepka was 3 years

Would you be worried if a Liverpool player said at a a World Cup, “I’m here to represent my country, not Liverpool”?

The point has zero substance and it’s one you are trying to make based on some unsubstantiated hearsay that Koepka wants out of LIV.

Why would he want to get back on the PGAT? He can show his ability in the majors for years to come, he doesn’t need the tour anymore.

 

[Orikoru]

What's the official line on LIV players in the Ryder Cup? I previously thought they wouldn't be allowed to play, hence the discussions we had about how USA would be weakened a lot more than Europe. But now there's a lot of talk that Koepka can play in the Ryder so what's the deal? Have they not said either way and people just assumed??

 

[AussieKB]

The US Ryder Cup Team is not run by the PGA Tour but the PGA of America
Where the Euro Team is run by DP Tour

 

[Mel Smooth]

What's the official line on LIV players in the Ryder Cup? I previously thought they wouldn't be allowed to play, hence the discussions we had about how USA would be weakened a lot more than Europe. But now there's a lot of talk that Koepka can play in the Ryder so what's the deal? Have they not said either way and people just assumed??

Johnson has said they can play if they qualify.

Brooks is currently number 2 in the list of qualifiers.

 

[Slab]

What's the official line on LIV players in the Ryder Cup? I previously thought they wouldn't be allowed to play, hence the discussions we had about how USA would be weakened a lot more than Europe. But now there's a lot of talk that Koepka can play in the Ryder so what's the deal? Have they not said either way and people just assumed??

As i understand it, unlike team europe (run by DPWT) the pgat doesn't run team usa, it's run by the PGA of America (& Brooks and others) are still members of the latter even if they're not members of the pgat

So yeah its not decided yet if they will be prevented from playing

 

[Orikoru]

Johnson has said they can play if they qualify.

Brooks is currently number 2 in the list of qualifiers.

Does that mean if they don't qualify he will refuse to pick any of them?

 

[Mel Smooth]

The US Ryder Cup Team is not run by the PGA Tour but the PGA of America
Where the Euro Team is run by DP Tour and the PGA European Tour - aka Jay Monahan

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Would you be worried if a Liverpool player said at a a World Cup, “I’m here to represent my country, not Liverpool”?

The point has zero substance and it’s one you are trying to make based on some unsubstantiated hearsay that Koepka wants out of LIV.

Why would he want to get back on the PGAT? He can show his ability in the majors for years to come, he doesn’t need the tour anymore.

To play and compete in all the top historic tournaments competing against the very best as much as possible as opposed to just 4 times a year - if he hadn’t hurt his knee do you think he would have gone to LIV

What's the official line on LIV players in the Ryder Cup? I previously thought they wouldn't be allowed to play, hence the discussions we had about how USA would be weakened a lot more than Europe. But now there's a lot of talk that Koepka can play in the Ryder so what's the deal? Have they not said either way and people just assumed??

To play in the Ryder Cup a player has to be a member of

Europe - European Tour ( DP T )

US -PGA of America

Now in the US the PGA of America only run the USPGA , they don’t run the PGAT so the US members on either tour are still members of the PGA of America - but points are mainly only won on the PGAT and majors


In Europe though ET run the tour etc and the Europeans on LIV have either resigned their membership or just want get enough points to qualify unless they win majors

 

[Mel Smooth]

Does that mean if they don't qualify he will refuse to pick any of them?

I’m not sure, I’d imagine he’ll pick the additional 6 best players available to him, there’s nothing to stop him doing that.

 

[Orikoru]

To play and compete in all the top historic tournaments competing against the very best as much as possible as opposed to just 4 times a year - if he hadn’t hurt his knee do you think he would have gone to LIV

He did suggest that he only moved there because he wanted the lighter schedule with his knee injury. But in Koepka's case I should think it hardly matters whether he plays PGA events or LIV events, the guy only turns it on for majors anyway. He has more major wins now than non-major PGA wins.

I’m not sure, I’d imagine he’ll pick the additional 6 best players available to him, there’s nothing to stop him doing that.

Fair enough. I don't think it's just me who's been thinking of this Ryder Cup as maybe having a weakened USA team, but maybe that won't be the case at all. I suppose if DJ, BDC or Reed hit any form they've got a chance of being picked. Depends how they get on with Zach.

 

[pendodave]

To play and compete in all the top historic tournaments competing against the very best as much as possible as opposed to just 4 times a year

The PGAT has a whole bunch of meaningless tournaments at terrible venues. What history they've had, they've systematically trashed (western open, LA open, Canadian open).
I'd argue that outside the majors, Riv (now worse with no cut) and The Players are the only ones that he probably misses. Maybe Memorial, though it tries too hard and I'm not impressed by the course, people are only polite about it because of Jack.

It's really just 4 times a year for the top boys.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The PGAT has a whole bunch of meaningless tournaments at terrible venues. What history they've had, they've systematically trashed (western open, LA open, Canadian open).
I'd argue that outside the majors, Riv (now worse with no cut) and The Players are the only ones that he probably misses. Maybe Memorial, though it tries too hard and I'm not impressed by the course, people are only polite about it because of Jack.

It's really just 4 times a year for the top boys.

As with all the tours there are differing levels of events - there are 200 plus players with differing levels of exemptions to be able to play in some events

But looking at the schedule the main ones will be those events that they elevated

Players
Arnold Palmer
Memorial
Genesis is it going no cut ?
Heritage
Wells Fargo
Phoenix Open
Travellers

Then there is the Fed Ex players -St Jude then BMW and Tour Championship

Obviously some sponsorship changes etc but they are all recognised around the golfing world

 

[SteveW86]

Brooks has been pretty open that he only really cares about the Majors, so not really sure he will care which tour is he playing on as long as he can get into the majors, 2 of which he is certain of for a very long time.

He will judge his career on how many Majors he wins, not by how many PGAT or LIV events he wins.

Anyway, its just good to see another player getting back to their best after a difficult time with injury.

 

[Swango1980]

Brooks has been pretty open that he only really cares about the Majors, so not really sure he will care which tour is he playing on as long as he can get into the majors, 2 of which he is certain of for a very long time.

He will judge his career on how many Majors he wins, not by how many PGAT or LIV events he wins.

Anyway, its just good to see another player getting back to their best after a difficult time with injury.

That is a "great" advertising for LIV. Brooks is only interested in the Majors, he doesn't even care about LIV. I guess he is just there to pick up big cheques and play less golf

 

[Orikoru]

That is a "great" advertising for LIV. Brooks is only interested in the Majors, he doesn't even care about LIV. I guess he is just there to pick up big cheques and play less golf

Who isn't?

 

[AussieKB]

Shambles is having a meltdown about Brook's playing in the Ryder Cup.

 

[wjemather]

It's a bit desperate trying to make something out of "Koepka playing for himself, not LIV" in a major. No player in the history of golf has ever competed in an individual golf tournament for anyone other than themselves.

Also, no tour would ever not use such an opportunity to promote themselves and their players, even the PGA Tour. In the 1980s and 1990s in particular, performances of European Tour players in majors were routinely promoted as a win for the tour in order to further the cause for direct exemptions (and it still happens today even though the players are now almost all PGA Tour members who only maintain token membership of the European Tour so they can play the Ryder Cup). LIV will be no different in using performances to make the case for their players to gain ranking points and direct exemptions to the major championships.