LIV Golf

[Beezerk]

but no country is going to pay out indefinitely, I think Sportswashing is quite obviously what it is, as they couldn't reasonably expect a return on their money in short or even medium term.

But just because it is sportwashing doesn't mean they will keep paying out for it. Companies don't keep paying out for certain advertising campaigns when it is obviously not working

You’re comparing a company to the Saudis with a bottomless pit of money, saying aaah it’s failed or aah they can’t continue it for money reasons doesn’t work for me. I’m happy to be proven wrong in x amount of years though.

 

[PJ87]

I’d also add to that description, profit is of no significance.

Can't overly be sports washing. I don't after watching Liv think wow those Saudis, what a lovely bunch of people. I'm gonna book a holiday there asap

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I’d also add to that description, profit is of no significance.

They aren’t looking to make a profit - don’t think that’s been suggested but after the short term they will want to see ventures start to bring in their own money instead of fully relying on the PIF , they aren’t going to pay for everything every year.

The Saudis have been sold an idea by GN and it prob includes franchises and major golf companies sponsering teams etc and media deals etc to help fund it all after the initial outlay to get it going , none of what GN promised to them Imo is coming to fruition, he even struggled to get a very poor Media deal with CW. Saudi won’t bail this year but if nothing changes in 12 months they will pull the plug imo

 

[Beezerk]

The Saudis have been sold an idea by GN

Honestly, I’ve Googled loads but I can’t find where Evil Greg is shown to have been the salesman.

 

[Beezerk]

Can't overly be sports washing. I don't after watching Liv think wow those Saudis, what a lovely bunch of people. I'm gonna book a holiday there asap

The money they spend on those Visit Saudi adverts must be mind boggling, probably more than they spend on LIV

 

[Bdill93]

They aren’t looking to make a profit - don’t think that’s been suggested but after the short term they will want to see ventures start to bring in their own money instead of fully relying on the PIF , they aren’t going to pay for everything every year.

The Saudis have been sold an idea by GN and it prob includes franchises and major golf companies sponsering teams etc and media deals etc to help fund it all after the initial outlay to get it going , none of what GN promised to them Imo is coming to fruition, he even struggled to get a very poor Media deal with CW. Saudi won’t bail this year but if nothing changes in 12 months they will pull the plug imo

Surely the first thing they'd look at before pulling the plug entirely would be sacking Norman and replacing him with someone else who might achieve more now that its up and running.

I'm half surprised they haven't already to be honest! They cant be that unhappy with what's going on at present....

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Can't overly be sports washing. I don't after watching Liv think wow those Saudis, what a lovely bunch of people. I'm gonna book a holiday there asap

Yes that’s exactly how it works who knew it was that simple

Honestly, I’ve Googled loads but I can’t find where Evil Greg is shown to have been the salesman.

If they ex professional golf CEO is not coming up with the ideas and format and trying to bring in the media deals then what the heck are they paying him for and who is the guy behind it all ?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Can't overly be sports washing. I don't after watching Liv think wow those Saudis, what a lovely bunch of people. I'm gonna book a holiday there asap

Wait until they appear on Newcastle's shirts next season as the main sponsor. It will be like Kaa in The Jungle Book cartoon, the spinning eyes drawing you in.......

 

[Beezerk]

If they ex professional golf CEO is not coming up with the ideas and format and trying to bring in the media deals then what the heck are they paying him for and who is the guy behind it all ?

No idea, so you know for sure that Greg was the one who sold the idea to the Saudis? Like I said, I’ve tried to find out who initially floated the idea but all I found was the Saudis stole the idea from the Premier League of Golf or something.

 

[BrianM]

Honestly, I’ve Googled loads but I can’t find where Evil Greg is shown to have been the salesman.

Only an idiot would believe that 1 man has got the Saudi’s to invest millions into a new golf format without a proper business plan / model.
Greg says so let’s do it, come on
We all know businesses have up’s and down’s, sometimes it’s 2 forward, 1 back, it’s never straight forward.

 

[Beezerk]

Wait until they appear on Newcastle's shirts next season as the main sponsor. It will be like Kaa in The Jungle Book cartoon, the spinning eyes drawing you in.......

You are a bad bad man

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Surely the first thing they'd look at before pulling the plug entirely would be sacking Norman and replacing him with someone else who might achieve more now that its up and running.

I'm half surprised they haven't already to be honest! They cant be that unhappy with what's going on at present....

All a bit early and by doing it now would be quite an admission of it not working. There have been rumours about looking to replacing him but it won’t happen before they have even had 12 months - this is their first full season , seen what the situation is after this season and if there is any movement forward then look to assess.


Whilst there is prob a lot of animosity between GN and the tours etc I think the issues for LIV are more than that

Let’s be honest before LIV started were people saying that what the sport needs is a new tour , its squeezed itself - got a few big players using the money and now it needs to evolve beyond the money and be more than golf with music and drinking

 

[wjemather]

They aren’t looking to make a profit - don’t think that’s been suggested but after the short term they will want to see ventures start to bring in their own money instead of fully relying on the PIF , they aren’t going to pay for everything every year.

The Saudis have been sold an idea by GN and it prob includes franchises and major golf companies sponsering teams etc and media deals etc to help fund it all after the initial outlay to get it going , none of what GN promised to them Imo is coming to fruition, he even struggled to get a very poor Media deal with CW. Saudi won’t bail this year but if nothing changes in 12 months they will pull the plug imo

There has been lots of reporting about the short, medium and long-term business plans, including how and when PIF expect LIV to become profitable, and how long and how much they are willing to commit to funding in order to achieve sustainability.

Maybe widen the scope of your news sources? There is far more information out there than what is reported by those controlled/influenced by the PGA Tour and it's partners.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There has been lots of reporting about the short, medium and long-term business plans, including how and when PIF expect LIV to become profitable, and how long and how much they are willing to commit to funding in order to achieve sustainability.

Maybe widen the scope of your news sources? There is far more information out there than what is reported by those controlled/influenced by the PGA Tour and its partners.

Happy to read what sources you have that will highlight how and when LIV will come profitable ?

Maybe you could also send them to the head of the USPGA of America as he also questioned it ?

 

[PJ87]

Yes that’s exactly how it works who knew it was that simple

Well you appear to be the expert in knowing what their up to... Do enlighten us with your inside the track knowledge that the twitter gods are pumping out

 

[wjemather]

Happy to read what sources you have that will highlight how and when LIV will come profitable ?

Maybe you could also send them to the head of the USPGA of America as he also questioned it ?

I am not your researcher. Google is your friend.

Many people, Seth Waugh included, have valid questions about whether PIF/LIV's business plan/model can be sustainable/successful, and ultimately profitable. That isn't remotely the same as what you were saying.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Awkward at Oak Hill Yesterday..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658611709471227904

 

[Bdill93]

As I've been saying, I think LIV should get OWGR points. The interesting discussion is how to fairly allot them. Fair to them, fair to the established tours that meet the existing criteria. The problem is how to have that discussion and get everyone to agree so that the rankings become valid and reliable again. It's self-evident that LIV events are lower standard and easier to win - just look at the winners and compare how they fared when they were on the main tours. That there is any debate over that just shows how futile an exercise it'll be - LIV moaning will switch from "it's unfair we don't get points" to "it's unfair we get less points". I'm already bored of it.

Meanwhile it's golf and the golf fan that's missing out. The pre-liv golf ecosystem was far from ideal but at least we had a tangible golf "hierarchy" that lent value to every event. Nowadays, some of the best players in the world play in a pretty meaningless series of events and the PGA Tour and DP World tour have been diminished by the loss of (some of) those players. Very rapidly we're getting to the situation that the only golf that matters at all are the majors.

Exactly this - and I think that's fine!

Pelley said in his Bunkered podcast interview that the OWGR was created in effect to gain entry into majors.

All that actually needs to happen is for the Majors to amend criteria so that LIV players can qualify via their own tour. They don't need to do it now, while the players who should be there are there anyway, but it will be addressed in the future if its necessary.

 

[Mel Smooth]

If Greg Norman sold the idea of LIV to the Saudis, is in control of LIV, and attempting to destroy the PGAT, why are the PGAT spending milllions of dollars on a legal case that seems underpinned on the exposing the Saudis as those pulling the strings?

Absolutely no logical basis to so many anti LIV arguments on here.

It’s entertaining though.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well you appear to be the expert in knowing what their up to... Do enlighten us with your inside the track knowledge that the twitter gods are pumping out

It’s called giving an opinion as opposed to yourself just posting snide remarks about posters and what they post - that’s your sole contribution

I am not your researcher. Google is your friend.

Many people, Seth Waugh included, have valid questions about whether PIF/LIV's business plan/model can be sustainable/successful, and ultimately profitable. That isn't remotely the same as what you were saying.

Oh so you don’t have them to hand ?

Sorry looked at google and can’t find the sources you are talking about - surely if you are going to pull someone up on their sources and reasoning then would you not expect to provide the counter argument?


It seems that “google it” is because someone can’t provide it themselves ?


What sources can I use and can’t I use ?

Why when Waugh questions if the model can be sustainable it’s valid but when other question that it’s not valid - Waugh was one of the sources I used - so is that all ok