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[Deleted member 21445]

My take on Liv Tulsa

The course was not in the best condition due to a brutal winter in the area, also didnt cope with all the rain very well which was out of their control.
Crowds were good.

The soft conditions meant that they were throwing darts into the greens.

The last round although disrupted by lightning had a great finish and exactly what Liv needs.
Most of their top players were near the top of the leaderboard and who doesnt want to watch DJ and Cam Smith going head to head down the last 4 holes.
Also the team event went right down to the last putt with a win for the Stingers.

Lots of USPGA heading Liv players look in good form (brooks, DJ, Cam Smith) but this soft golf course with little rough is far removed from what they are going to have at Oak Hill.
A quick nod to how ridiculous Cam Smiths putting is, its a joke.

Now we can all tune in for another major which i think everyone agrees is the very best pro golf to watch, cant wait.
May the best golfer win from whatever tour they play on, doesnt bother me either way

 

[Mel Smooth]

The point is that they cut the broadcast to go to a repeat of a show.
If they'd been going to another Live program then you can understand it but to cut to go to a re-run of P&T shows where LIV golf stands with the network.
Whatever the reasoning behind it...it's not a good look.

Viewers affected were directed to the app, and not all the CW regions were affected.,
No different to switching from one sports channel to another to continue watching the same event, as frequently happens - especially in the US.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Love it..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1657839017231106049

 

[Hobbit]

Maybe I’m missing something… LIV is at Valderrama at the end of June. Been on the website but can’t see any tickets for sale. Is it a closed event for spectators or have they sold all the tickets? Can’t see it being the latter.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Maybe I’m missing something… LIV is at Valderrama at the end of June. Been on the website but can’t see any tickets for sale. Is it a closed event for spectators or have they sold all the tickets? Can’t see it being the latter.

This link should take you straight there buddy.

LIV Golf Andalucia tickets by LIV Golf Spain

Get your LIV Golf Andalucia Tickets at Real Club Valderrama in Sotogrande by LIV Golf Spain from Tixr.

www.tixr.com

 

[Hobbit]

This link should take you straight there buddy.

LIV Golf Andalucia tickets by LIV Golf Spain

Get your LIV Golf Andalucia Tickets at Real Club Valderrama in Sotogrande by LIV Golf Spain from Tixr.

www.tixr.com

Excelente, muchas gracias mi amigo.

 

[Deleted member 21445]

I'm going to go to Liv London to do a video for my YT channel and see for myself what a Liv Event is like with your feet on the ground.

Expecting it to be messing with my senses with all the noise while actually there.
So many questions to answer, I'm intrigued to see what it's like.

Also got tickets for Hoylake so 2 very different Live Golf events this year.

 

[Bdill93]

I'm going to go to Liv London to do a video for my YT channel and see for myself what a Liv Event is like with your feet on the ground.

Expecting it to be messing with my senses with all the noise while actually there.
So many questions to answer, I'm intrigued to see what it's like.

Also got tickets for Hoylake so 2 very different Live Golf events this year.

Me and my friends had a great time last year!

It was the very first LIV event though and I can only assume they'll introduce new things across the event that weren't there last time.

They seem to encourage more crowd noise now than they did then for one!

 

[Deleted member 21445]

Good to see Liv's top players put in marquee groups for the PGA Champs.

Felt a bit like they were hidden away at The Masters.

Looking forward to another great major..

 

[Mel Smooth]

Good to see Liv's top players put in marquee groups for the PGA Champs.

Felt a bit like they were hidden away at The Masters.

Looking forward to another great major..

Was listening to Seth Waugh in the press conference today, and he was quite forthright in stating they’d invite the best players in the world and treat them correctly - many of them he considers friends. Where they play is irrelevant.
Great to see and hear this attitude from the tournament organisers.,

 

[Backsticks]

The problem with this is that it's only doable at the moment because we can meaningfully "rank" the liv players based on their previous performances in the wider golf environment. Specifically, how they performed historically on the PGA/DP World tours and in majors. The longer it goes on, as those "known" players fade and younger guys become successful on liv the harder it becomes to have a real sense of how the top players on PAG Tour and liv compare.

Its only a problem if more major golfers go to LIV, and that seems to have ended. So they are a bit of a stagnant backwater. Being successful on LIV at this stage means nothing, and any young golfer there or joining it in the future is effectively calling time a their career as a serious golfer at an early stage like Smith has done. At the current rate, there is no such thing as proving oneself on LIV. Thats why the exhibition labelling of it it fair and correct. Even if LIV continues in some form, effectively LIV golfers will fade out of majors as DJ, Koepka, Smith, Reed, Bryson fade out. There is little merit in modifying access for those handful as their existing majors access qualifications run out.

 

[Mel Smooth]

The problem with this is that it's only doable at the moment because we can meaningfully "rank" the liv players based on their previous performances in the wider golf environment. Specifically, how they performed historically on the PGA/DP World tours and in majors. The longer it goes on, as those "known" players fade and younger guys become successful on liv the harder it becomes to have a real sense of how the top players on PAG Tour and liv compare.

With liv determined to do things their way instead of conforming to existing owgr rules it's obviously a challenge to achieve sensible rankings. I also doubt liv would accept the fairly obvious point that their competition is at a lower level than PGA Tour and hence attract less points. It's going to become a serious problem I fear.

The Masters wanted the best players in the world in their tournament, the USPGA have come out and said the same thing. Pelley has hinted that they may look to select the top 10 (or similar) from LIV. All these guys sit on the OWGR board - they know it no longer accurately represents the players that the majors need to retain their credibility, so it's just a matter of time until the system is changed to cover the LIV players. I know some won't like it, but that's the harsh reality.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The Masters wanted the best players in the world in their tournament, the USPGA have come out and said the same thing. Pelley has hinted that they may look to select the top 10 (or similar) from LIV. All these guys sit on the OWGR board - they know it no longer accurately represents the players that the majors need to retain their credibility, so it's just a matter of time until the system is changed to cover the LIV players. I know some won't like it, but that's the harsh reality.

Waugh was also very clear about the ranking points issue and how it’s with LIV currently - he was also very blunt about LIV model and it’s sustainability

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658534126142513164

Also none of the majors have made any sort of statement in regards changing their qualification process and Pelley has zero say on that

 

[Backsticks]

Waugh was also very clear about the ranking points issue and how it’s with LIV currently - he was also very blunt about LIV model and it’s sustainability

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658534126142513164

Also none of the majors have made any sort of statement in regards changing their qualification process and Pelley has zero say on that

The matter is simply not pressing, as it appeared last year it might become if some of the majors non qualifying top rank had defected - Schauffele, Homa, Hovland, types. But there is nobody on LIV at the moment whose absence is a miss for the majors. Certainly, all the best golfers have to be there, as I have said all along, and should LIV have better golfers they must, and would unquestionably, gain automatic entry to them. The the issue is moot does highlight the low level of the LIV tour.

 

[Backsticks]

Indeed, that has to happen but the point is that the longer it takes the harder it is to place the liv guys amongst the formally ranked players. The liv guys who've never played on PGA Tour are the ones we struggle to rate appropriately and as time goes on there will be more of those and less guys whose capabilities we know and understand.

Such players have simply excluded themselves from top level golf. There is no need to rank them when they are not playing on a competitive tour.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Indeed, that has to happen but the point is that the longer it takes the harder it is to place the liv guys amongst the formally ranked players. The liv guys who've never played on PGA Tour are the ones we struggle to rate appropriately and as time goes on there will be more of those and less guys whose capabilities we know and understand.

The longer it goes on the less accurate the OWGR becomes. There are plenty of other ranking systems that are up to date, and include all the LIV players.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The longer it goes on the less accurate the OWGR becomes. There are plenty of other ranking systems that are up to date, and include all the LIV players.

How many of those ranking systems are relevant ? How many tournaments or tours use those other ranking systems ?

 

[Mel Smooth]

How many of those ranking systems are relevant ? How many tournaments or tours use those other ranking systems ?

It does not matter how many use them, if you want to find the best players in the world, you can't use the OWGR. If you want to put players into the majors who play on certain tours, then the OWGR still works.
If you're happy to celebrate players winning majors with depleted fields because of some stand off between the PGAT and LIV, then fine, but the game should be way above that.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It does not matter how many use them, if you want to find the best players in the world, you can't use the OWGR. If you want to put players into the majors who play on certain tours, then the OWGR still works.
If you're happy to celebrate players winning majors with depleted fields because of some stand off between the PGAT and LIV, then fine, but the game should be way above that.

Of course it matters - the Owgr are mainly used for entry into the majors and golf tournaments, that’s the whole idea of them. Why do you think they were created in the first place. Any other ranking systems are irrelevant because they aren’t recognised by any governing body

Majors are doing fine and don’t appear to be missing any big players as been stated many times , any player that’s worthy of entry into a major will have found a way to qualify through performances in other majors

I suspect anyone winning a major won’t give a flying monkey if it’s missing some LIV players

And why do you keep bringing the PGAT into it as if they are the sole reason ? The rankings are more than the PGAT

 

[cleveland52]

Of course it matters - the Owgr are mainly used for entry into the majors and golf tournaments, that’s the whole idea of them. Why do you think they were created in the first place. Any other ranking systems are irrelevant because they aren’t recognised by any governing body

Majors are doing fine and don’t appear to be missing any big players as been stated many times , any player that’s worthy of entry into a major will have found a way to qualify through performances in other majors

I suspect anyone winning a major won’t give a flying monkey if it’s missing some LIV players

And why do you keep bringing the PGAT into it as if they are the sole reason ? The rankings are more than the PGAT

Totally agree 100%.

The biggest accomplishment by LIV so far is convincing the world that they're relevant and that the majors are nothing without them.