doublebogey7
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Or maybe the PGA of America are colluding with LiV to ensure Paul Casey gets a PGA start.
Or maybe Golf organisations are independent and can work with and agree deals with who they choose.
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Or maybe Golf organisations are independent and can work with and agree deals with who they choose.
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Cant see how LIV has made any dent into the PGAT ? They still can’t get any major sponsers or media deals
Who decided that the OWGR is completely worthless - the majors certainly don’t and think their opinion is the one that counts
when was the ET “destroyed” ?! Strange as I have watched over the last couple of weeks and seems alive and well
The best players on the Asian Tour look to move to the PGAT as soon as they can which is why all the best Asian players are currently on the PGAT, and why would someone be forced to play on the LIV Tour ?
Just look at the Asian OOM now - not exactly stacked - plenty players who couldn’t keep or gain a ET card
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Again without understanding how the USPGA Qualifying works
Did he not learn the first time
Looks like that one has been deleted now as well
Mel Smooth
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So the PGAT having to find millions of dollars, and engaging in a strategic deal with the DPWT to tray and preserve their own tour, while losing pretty much all the interesting players, some of which are multiple major winners, isn't making a dent... I'm not sure it's even worth addressing your other points. The viewing figures are down across the board Phil, and when the LIV guys show up - like at Augusta, they shoot up.
LIV has blown a massive hole in the side of the PGAT - one they are frantically trying to repair. If they've played all their cards already, then I'm not sure they've done enough, but time will tell..
LIV has blown a massive hole in the side of the PGAT - one they are frantically trying to repair. If they've played all their cards already, then I'm not sure they've done enough, but time will tell..
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Let's get back to the golf..
Which Liv Golfers can contend at the USPGA?
Abraham Ancer
Dean Burmester
Paul Casey
Bryson DeChambeau
Talor Gooch
Dustin Johnson
Martin Kaymer
Sihwan Kim
Brooks Koepka
Anirban Lahiri
Phil Mickelson
Joaquin Niemann
Mito Pereira
Thomas Pieters
Patrick Reed
Cameron Smith
Brendan Steele
Harold Varner III
Which Liv Golfers can contend at the USPGA?
Abraham Ancer
Dean Burmester
Paul Casey
Bryson DeChambeau
Talor Gooch
Dustin Johnson
Martin Kaymer
Sihwan Kim
Brooks Koepka
Anirban Lahiri
Phil Mickelson
Joaquin Niemann
Mito Pereira
Thomas Pieters
Patrick Reed
Cameron Smith
Brendan Steele
Harold Varner III
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So viewing figures increase for a major - imagine that and you think it’s because the LIV guys show up
and of course nothing to do with it being a major So how are the viewing figures for the LiV events? Have they got above caught on camera yet ?
“Losing all the interesting players”
Blimey - the LIV tour is only surviving because of Saudi money , take it away and it folds in seconds, it’s unsustainable and it’s not even close to being sustainable - what happens when the tap is turned off
The players are losing court cases , how many are left in the anti trust case ? 1 ? Maybe 2 players
Mel Smooth
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So viewing figures increase for a major - imagine that and you think it’s because the LIV guys show up
So how are the viewing figures for the LiV events? Have they got above caught on camera yet ?
“Losing all the interesting players”
Blimey - the LIV tour is only surviving because of Saudi money , take it away and it folds in seconds, it’s unsustainable and it’s not even close to being sustainable - what happens when the tap is turned off
The players are losing court cases , how many are left in the anti trust case ? 1 ? Maybe 2 players
The viewing figures increased on the previous year Phil, nearly 20 percent - which must just have been some random coincidence????
If Gooch has a good weekend I'd fancy him to show well next weekend - his form has been fantastic for the last few weeks. Phil might be doing a Rory at the moment, and getting too involved in the political sideshow - but he's got a significant point to prove again.. My 3rd and 4th picks would be Reed and Brooks - out of those guys.
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Let's get back to the golf 
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Again ?!Looks like that one has been deleted now as well
Blimey he isn’t learning is he
BubbaP
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IMO if you wanna talk golf, go to the golf thread, and leave this toxic thread alone...Let's get back to the golf
The DP has already gained. Their action has already been vindicated in that the exodus to LIV was strangled at birth. No more golfers have gone to LIV. DP, and the PGAT have succeeded in limiting the damage of losing players to a minimum, and LIV is an isolated tour whose has-beens will just fade away with LIV, or it will carve itself a survival as an alternative seniors/legends touring circus. As a serious, competitive, tour of top world golfers, it has failed. It is no longer a threat to other tours.
That is how the ET has benefitted.
AussieKB
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578 pages so far and most from people who have no interest in LIV ?
just imagine if they were interested
just imagine if they were interested
Yes, people interested in LIV only exists in the imagination.578 pages so far and most from people who have no interest in LIV ?
just imagine if they were interested
Mel Smooth
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Can you name the players on the DPWT that would be a coup for LIV. If they've taken this action to stop any players moving over, they really needn't have bothered.
Keith's managed to find a way to put some Saudi 'Blood Money' in the account, but apart from that, I can't see one positive for the DPWT.
Pin-seeker
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Mel Smooth578 pages so far and most from people who have no interest in LIV ?
just imagine if they were interested
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There are none. But the key was to kill off LIV before it became a viable threat and there would be players who would be a loss to the ET. In this, they have succeeded, which is why LIV is now just on borrowed time with a group of players who are already or increasingly irrelevant as top flight golfers, and no source of replacing them with any new top prospects or established golfers.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Caveating that golf is typically hard to predict
, the reality is the above are less than 12% of the field. Maybe one or two finishing in top 10 perhaps would fit with statistics.Most I guess would look to Koepka & Smith. Johnson hasn't really hit his form yet this year so be interesting to see how he plays this weekend. Reed has a habit of showing up.
I'd like to see Gooch do enough to secure US Open spot - why they didn't just change rules for 2024 came across as so petty.
Niemann could do with a showing, and DeChambeau was box office 18 months ago - even if he has a charge then a trademark collapse
Kim will likely be trying to avoid last place with the run he's been on!
wjemather
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You seem to forget that the DPWT lost arguably their top remaining full-time player in Thomas Pieters this year. With other to players having gone to the US and the tour pushing their entire top 10 this season to the PGAT, there probably won't be anyone at all left next season who would be of interest to LIV.
I keep seeing snide remarks about has-beens and seniors but the age profile of the LIV roster tells a completely different story. A few players may be nearing 50 or already there, but over 75% of their players are under 40 and almost a quarter are in their 20s.
Swango1980
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If you read the full comments, and not just edit the comments to suit your statement above, many have said LIV is made up of:
Has beens
Nobodies
A handful of golfers who have played top golf leading up to joining LIV
I don't think anyone has said it is 100% has beens? The reason the has beens comment is made is that a large number of the "well known" golfers are reaching that end of their career. In the nobodies category, are probably a large number of those 75% you speak of who are under 40.
Moving on from now, I can also see the logic why LIV, if it keeps going, would be an attractive prospect for those approaching the Seniors Tour. Players who are less competitive at the top level of pro golf as they age, but well known enough to get on LIV and rake in some top money. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see well known golfers move over in the future to LIV, as they pass their peak.
Who knows, maybe there will be another trigger point in the future that sees a shift in decision making of top pro golfers. But, now that things have settled down a bit, not sure how LIV is going to attract a higher volume of the worlds very best golfers that is has already achieved? It surely wanted to attract more than the the 5 or 6 it managed. Off top of my head, I'd have said DeChambeau, Koepka, DJ, Reed, Ancer and Smith were the biggest golfers, still possibly in prime years of their careers (perhaps not DJ, and others had been going through bad form when they made their decision). Joining LIV at the time may well have been an exciting decision to consider, and some of these guys willing to take the gamble. Now that the consequences of joining LIV (good and bad) are now being seen, and can be properly evaluated by other golfers, are the top golfers more or less likely going to join LIV, knowing what that means for their careers and reputation on other tours?
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Caveating that golf is typically hard to predict
Most I guess would look to Koepka & Smith. Johnson hasn't really hit his form yet this year so be interesting to see how he plays this weekend. Reed has a habit of showing up.
I'd like to see Gooch do enough to secure US Open spot - why they didn't just change rules for 2024 came across as so petty.
Niemann could do with a showing, and DeChambeau was box office 18 months ago - even if he has a charge then a trademark collapse
Kim will likely be trying to avoid last place with the run he's been on!
Yes I agree.
Given such a small percentage of the field are Liv Golfers I think if they got 2 or 3 players in the top 15 that would be a very solid performance.
Getting 3 in the top 4 and ties in The Masters was very impressive.
I think from Liv Golfs perspective as long as they have players in the mix on Sunday they will be very happy.
