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Canter subbed in from nowhere through kaymer and Horsfield injuries and now a hole in 1 some luck he’s having

Not really from nowhere Liv wise.
He played a full season as a Liv player last year..

Has probably earned more in sub appearances on Liv so far than he could have earned in a full season on DPWT.
He will be praying for more sub appearances as he has a chance of getting top 24 in the league which would get him full playing privilege's on Liv for next year.

He is in no man's land right now with no permanent playing privileges on any tour but financially secure from his Liv paychecks in the last 18 months.
 

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Not really from nowhere Liv wise.
He played a full season as a Liv player last year..

Has probably earned more in sub appearances on Liv so far than he could have earned in a full season on DPWT.
He will be praying for more sub appearances as he has a chance of getting top 24 in the league which would get him full playing privilege's on Liv for next year.

He is in no man's land right now with no permanent playing privileges on any tour but financially secure from his Liv paychecks in the last 18 months.
He epitomises the LIV field weakness though. Having a player who ranks, in real terms, about 150th in the world, in a field of 48 shows how little a LIV win means.
 

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In 5 years time, if it still exists, who would they have as major material ? Its only a handful now. In 5 years time, Smith, Bryson if fit, Koepka probably will still have it. Reed maybe. Some of those will have longer term access to some majors anyway. So it wont be a big deal either way.

Maybe the #2 amateur in the world they signed last year Chacarra? (Deffo spelt wrong by cba to google) Plus any new talent they continue to sign as older players step away. Again, it’s all pure speculation at this stage.
 

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Maybe the #2 amateur in the world they signed last year Chacarra? (Deffo spelt wrong by cba to google) Plus any new talent they continue to sign as older players step away. Again, it’s all pure speculation at this stage.
But probably not. Isolating himself away on LIV means he wont be measured against the wider golf world - LIV is de facto competitive retirement.

The quality of any further recruits is the crux. Replacing McDowell, Schwartzel, Westwood and the likes with other champions tour types will get LIV nowhere, and unless it actively embraces a role as an alternative Champions/Legends tour visiting lesser golfing regions of the world, there is no indication it can succeed. And even if still existing in some format as a Champions/Legends circus there is no sugar coating that as success as a premier tour, let alone a rival or alternative to the PGAT. In that scenario, there is really nothing of substance lost to the majors.

I was all for reform of the OWGR when it looked there would be a bigger exodus of top rank players to LIV, who should be allowed for somewhat in points allocation, proportional to the small fields and level of players in it - probably somewhere between Kornferry and DP. But now, there are really no players whose exclusion would distort the OWGR's role as a ranking filter to majors access. So - there is no pressing need to do anything with something that isnt broken.
 
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I agree.

However had they not created “elevated events” with no cut from next year - I think the answer would be different.



I don’t think it would tbh they got the main players who were more than happy to leave for the money , not sure there is that many left who would have moved
 

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Anirban Lahiri has now got an invite into the PGA Championship, plus a few other Liv guys, in addition to Gooch who was mentioned yesterday.
Another step in the right direction for golf, as another major acknowledged the importance of inclusion of these guys.
 
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It’s quite impossible to actually say one way or the other though 😂

Of course - you can only go by what’s actually happened and since Smith it’s prob not been many big players as such. How they refresh the line up will be interesting
 

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In the absence of substance, LIV itself is the prime mover of speculation slash trolling the world of golf. It it had serious golfers playing serious tournaments, that would have spoken for itself, without the need to resort to bluffs and smoke and mirrors to keep itself in any discussion at all. What is unarguable is that discussion on actual LIV golf itself has been negligible to nil.
 

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In the absence of substance, LIV itself is the prime mover of speculation slash trolling the world of golf. It it had serious golfers playing serious tournaments, that would have spoken for itself, without the need to resort to bluffs and smoke and mirrors to keep itself in any discussion at all. What is unarguable is that discussion on actual LIV golf itself has been negligible to nil.
Don't worry, there are more than enough trolls on the other side making equally (if not more) outlandish and inane comments; e.g. claiming that LIV aren't hosting valid tournaments, that they can't compare to existent tours, that all but a handful of the players are has-beens and never-weres, etc.
 
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To be fair I was thinking the other day, what/who would be top of the April post stalking table :
- Pinseeker on Liverpoolphil
- Liverpoolphil on Mel Smooth
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Might need VAR to sort that one out 😂😉
I think Pinseeker has stalked LP on here for years. Christ knows how he’s got away with it though.
At least Phil actually debates subjects, no matter how much anyone agrees with it. Pinseeker is a pure wind up merchant. Never noticed him actually debate a subject or join a proper discussion.
 

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I think Pinseeker has stalked LP on here for years. Christ knows how he’s got away with it though.
At least Phil actually debates subjects, no matter how much anyone agrees with it. Pinseeker is a pure wind up merchant. Never noticed him actually debate a subject or join a proper discussion.

I agree with this 😂

Have some great back and forths with Phil. And the bigger thing - he also shows his face in person at meets etc! Not just a person behind a keyboard!
 
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